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Is it now impossible for Toxic Corbyn to win a GE?

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newnanny Sun 20-Oct-19 13:00:55

Corbyn seems hell bent on annoying the voters. Now he has said he wants to nationalise Liverpool Football Club. Where does he get he bonkers ideas from? How would this benefit our UK? So on top of alienating people who want to leave their money to their offspring, btl landlords, shareholders of Royal Mail and Utility companies, people with gardens, people who earn over £40k per annum and leave voters now he turns on football fans. He wants to target Manchester clubs too. Where are the Labour moderates?

He is very low on popularity in polls and now seems determined to nosedive further.

lemongrove Sun 20-Oct-19 15:13:15

‘Massacre of the thousands’ Grany ? Where do you get these daft statements from, The Morning Star/ Marxists R Us?

notanan2 Sun 20-Oct-19 15:13:52

This idea that you would only criticise Corbyn if your ONLY source of info was tabloids would be laughable if it wasnt so worrying! It makes his supporters sound brain washed! How can they ignore that the loudest criticisms of Corbyn are from people who have been IN his party or have supported labour policies in the past, and now cannot?

Grany Sun 20-Oct-19 15:21:15

People who have died through unnessary Tory austerity universal credit waiting for weeks for their money. Cuts to disability benefits, sanctions, conscious cruelty. In work poverty wages. The film, I Daniel Blake by director Ken Loach very true to life. It's not a joking matter lemongrove

Dyffryn Sun 20-Oct-19 15:29:12

yggdrasil I couldn’t agree with you more. I have stopped listening to the BBC and haven’t read a newspaper for years. I don’t believe half the posts I see on Twitter either. I do however watch video clips of what various politicians actually before I actually make my own mind up. Journalists are not honest anymore rarely sticking to facts.

Dyffryn Sun 20-Oct-19 15:31:04

Should have said - what politicians actually say -

Grany Sun 20-Oct-19 15:31:11

Well I am a Corbyn Labour supporter and want the Labour polices that would make a fairer society.

That's all I care about. I know there are people who read MSM right wing media and believe the propaganda and I also know that there are people who just want a Blairite type Labour Party and people who smear and don't want a Corbyn government. I know what I want what I believe.

notanan2 Sun 20-Oct-19 15:31:47

Grany do you honestly believe the myth that Corbyn critics = Tory lovers??

Tories being shits doesnt justify the labour crisis.

Its like Corbyn bingo on here. If you criticise Corbyn you are irrelevant because only people who love tory policy and only read tabloids would even descent and criticise JC right?

notanan2 Sun 20-Oct-19 15:35:49

If you really do believe in Corbyns policies, stay on the subject and defend them!

Going "but but look at what the TORYs did" is not going to change anyones mind on labour policy

phoenix Sun 20-Oct-19 15:37:13

In answer to the question in the OP, God, I hope so!

notanan2 Sun 20-Oct-19 15:43:25

Anyway if your motive is to vote against Tory policy, I dont think that Labour will necessarily be the tactical anti tory vote this time round!

Anniebach Sun 20-Oct-19 15:43:47

The Labour Party with Blair as leader won 3 consecutive general elections, the only leader in the history of the Labour Party to do so.

Grany Sun 20-Oct-19 16:03:56

The Green industrial Revolution

Social Houses built

Free education

Abolish Tory Health and Social Care Act Properly fund our NHS

Over 65s social care

Compensation and recognition for WASPI woman

Plus many more fantastic polices for the many.

trisher Sun 20-Oct-19 16:08:40

So as far as Labour policy on football clubs goes the idea is not for the fans to own the club but for them to have a say in the running of the club. When you know the huge cost of season tickets and the money spent by the supporters on travel and match attendance you realise that this is only fair.
As far as those who use the excuse "it's all Corbyn's fault" for the reason they won't vote Labour but will support the appalling policies of this right wing government I suggest you step up and take responsibility instead of playing the blame game. Look at the policies and if you vote for a party which has damaged so many lives then on your conscience be it.
I think the best reason for voting for Corbyn I have seen was the one which said after years of disastrous career politicians as PM whose main purpose has been to further their personal ambitions he is exactly what we should have. Because if he isn't elected he will simply return to being a hard working MP and not take up some directorship or head some unlikely organisation on a huge salary. He has never sought power so is the best person to have it.

Anniebach Sun 20-Oct-19 16:11:31

Free musical instruments and free music lessons for all schools not mentioned this time ? Corbyn promised that just a few years ago. Paying off student debts not mentioned this time ?

Anniebach Sun 20-Oct-19 16:14:24

Can’t see Corbyn as head of an organisation, he would have to stand alone

yggdrasil Sun 20-Oct-19 16:17:00

"The Labour Party with Blair as leader won 3 consecutive general elections,"
But that was NEW Labour, aka torylite. He supported Thatchers policies and even abolished Clause 4. Not the Real Labour Party as we have now

Grany Sun 20-Oct-19 16:17:00

Very well explained andvwell said trisher

trisher Sun 20-Oct-19 16:28:16

The student debt thing has been discussed so many times. They remain toxic most won't be repaid anyway and they will eventually cost more than grants would have. As for music. Yes yes yes! Why should rich kids be the only ones to learn it? Would you say the same for literacy? Perhaps poor kids only deserve a practical education? - Mr Gradgrind!!

ayse Sun 20-Oct-19 16:34:36

Yggdrasil - the u tube video with JC was rather interesting. Learning how he felt about the Vietnam war, anti-racism etc. Additionally, his justifications for re-nationalisation of what were public services, privatised by Thatcher struck a cord.

Blair’s government moved the Labour Party away from its traditional roots to help it gain more ‘middle class’ support to win 3 elections. The party then was not interested in a more equal society.

Personally, I’m pleased the Labour Party has returned to more socialist style policies. In no way is JC a Marxist as he believes in change via the ballot box (evolution not revolution). BTW the same can be said for Tony Benn.

The Labour Party is currently in the business of recruiting members of the younger generation using social media rather than the traditional press.

I’d like to remind everyone that it was Labour who introduced the NHS, put in place social policies for everyone, known as social welfare.

I would like to see less homeless people on the street, more social housing, better education for all and better care for the elderly. I’d rather pay more tax and have more social care for everybody.

IMO, gransnet used to be far less combative where vastly differing views on our society could be discussed without all the current unpleasantness.

Perhaps I’d better ? now.

ayse Sun 20-Oct-19 16:40:28

Oh, in answer to OP, I suspect we will have a hung parliament again so IMO parties will need to compromise whoever ‘wins’.

The voting system needs to be changed to reflect the broad spectrum of views held by the public. Against LP policy, I would like a PR system where politicians would have to learn the art of compromise.

ayse Sun 20-Oct-19 16:41:03

Very few of us are winners at the moment!

trisher Sun 20-Oct-19 16:45:24

ayse if "compromise" means agreeing to policies which will harm the poorest and weakest in society (as the Liberals did in coalition) No thank you. I'd rather have more elections and short lived governments.

Ilovecheese Sun 20-Oct-19 16:46:30

I don't see anything wrong with music lessons for all children. Seems such a strange thing to object to.

ayse Sun 20-Oct-19 16:52:51

The LP in its current state would not agree to harm the poorest and weakest and I support them wholeheartedly. However, it might be possible to garner support from the Greens, SNP and even some Lib Demers. So Trisher, I’m with you. I wouldn’t want a dumbing down of any social policies designed to help the poorest in society. Personally, I would like a working majority but I think it is a little unlikely, currently.

ayse Sun 20-Oct-19 16:53:50

I’d love to see music lessons for all children as well