For brexiters only please.

Urmstongran
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Ooh ladies! Have a touched a nerve? This thread is for Brexiters - I thought you had a Remainer one? I’ve not posted on it.

I like this one better.

(Seems so many of you do too - strange that!)
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Well said, GGMK3

GGMK3 I began a response, but you said it so much better and I'm happy to let your words speak for me too.

How dare you Urmstongran. I am prepared to believe you are no less patriotic than me, that you are just, by nature and nurture, a little Englander. How dare you suggest that those who believe the ties our parliament and country has made through our membership of the EU, in getting world wide trading deals, the best possible frictionless trading deals with our nearest and largest market, scientific and security agreements, etc., etc., make us any less patriotic.

This comic book idea, that we might expect from children, that this country was some how forced into an agreement we actually chose grows more ridiculous every day. We chose it. We take an equal part in running it and the idea that you are fighting a patriotic fight is simply pathetic. Put down the toy cape and mask for heaven's sake and start using the language of an adult.

Boris, make sure all your candidates for the GE are not Euro-fanatics .. We want MP's whose hearts beat for Britain, not Brussels.

I’m not too sure Grandad1943 it could be ‘virtue signalling’ by Remainer-feeling MP’s wanting to be seen to be doing ‘the right thing’ for their mostly ignored Leave voting constituents. It was, as far as they were concerned, a free hit: they could pretend to be pro-Brexit while still doing everything in their power to thwart a meaningful departure later.

Exactly.....so not ‘throwing toys out of the pram’ is it but part of Parliamentary procedure at times.

lemongrove yes it was protocol to pause the Bill because the executive wished that to be so.

The executive placed the Bill before the House of Commons, therefore as their Bill. They can withdrawal it, pause it or allow it's passage.

It is the same for any backbench members Bill, you see it happening all the time in the parliamentary procedure.

Grandad... at PMQ’s the other day, a Labour MP stood up and said the same thing, and was told by Bercow that actually it was protocol to pause it.

Urmstongran, what you state in your above post could well be true. However, Johnson's deal did get a majority but not the rediculas timetable he proposed to take it through Parliament.

Now he is in the silly position of "pausing in Bill" because he wished to throw his toys out of his pram, while if he had not done that the House of Commons could have been debating that proposed agreement now.

How immature can any person get? ?

There is a train of thought that Boris came up with this deal on the expectation it would fail to get a majority and then he could go for a GE claiming there was no possible way we could leave other than a no deal.

Urmstongran I agree either totally out, or remain, it's beginning to feel like the UK is in a never ending performance of the flipping Hokey Cokey!!

I get where you are coming from Grandad1943 and why what you post sounds good to you. But to many who voted Leave, that just sounds like Brexit in Name Only.

Honestly I don’t think Boris’ deal is that great. Too many concessions in my opinion, although in some areas it is more Brexity than Theresa May’s deal (which is why the Remainer MP’s don’t like it).

In some ways I’d rather take No Deal.

Or Remain.

Urmstongran, in regard to your post @12:22 today, there would seem to be a growing number in the Labour party and wider Labour movement that feel the Tory party should be made to feel the anger that many will demonstrate when the utopia that was supposed to be forthcoming with Brexit is finally exposed as a lie.

Johnson is perpetuating the view that "getting Brexit done" by 31st of October will be the end all this division and nightmare for our nation. However, it will not.

The whole trade agreement then has to be negotiated and in that Johnson and his ERG group cronies may well still ensure that Britain finishes up with no deal.

So, why not force Johnson to secure a good trade agreement for the United Kingdom while he is in the position of leading a minority government, and in that, all in Parliament can then have an equal voice in that outcome.

The above sounds great to me.

As so often has been stated, a week is a long time in politics, and being forced to maintain a minority government Johnson would have "the Sword of Damocles hanging over him in the form of a vote of no confidence brought at any time of the oppositions choosing.

Oh good point sw in which case it’s bitten them on the bum. I bet it gets revoked further down the line!

Urm some think that the FTP Act was brought in to safeguard the perilous position of the Coalition Government. Hoist and petard much

The fixed term was brought in by the coalition government. It has Cleggie’s sticky hands all over it as well as Cameron’s. It was to take away the advantage of the government of the day gaining the advantage by being able to call for a GE at the time of its choosing.

Fair enough.

But the Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox is right in my opinion. We have a DEAD Parliament. I can’t wait to see the back of some of these duplicitous MP’s.

Some are clinging on by their fingertips. They know their constituents are furious with them and some WILL be out of their jobs soon enough - that’s why so many don’t want a bluddy election as it’ll be ‘bye bye sunshine - don’t bang the door on the way out’!

lemongrove Quote [ Corbyn has stated many times, that if the EU grant an extension then Labour will gladly have an election!]End Quote.

lemongrove, what Corbyn and the whole opposition alliance have stated would be that they will not grant Johnson a General Elation until a no deal Brexit is no longer possible.

With Johnson leaving guarantees on workers rights and much else out of the withdrawal agreement that would indicate that Johnson is still intent on a no deal outcome.

In that, it may be therefore that until the whole trade agreement is negotiated successfully will the opposition parties in parliament grant a General Election.

The simple fact is that nobody trusts Johnson in any part of this Brexit tragedy.

The above is a view that is rapidly being favour among many in the Labour movement it would seem.

Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition is the only person in Parliament who has the power to call a vote of no confidence in this excuse for a government. That Corbyn can do at any time of his and the Labour Parties choosing.

Johnson can "huff & puff" all he wishes but he does not have the power to call an election prior to 2022 as exasperating as that may be to him and his cronies.

He is trapped by the fixed parliament act that the Tories brought into being. ?

Only the Tories wish to have a Christmas General Election so going beyond that would find favour with the Electorate.

Also, Jeremy Corbyn has stated that he does not wish to lead the Labour Party into the next General Election due to his age. Therefore, following the new year, a ballot of the whole Labour movement could be organised to elect a leader to replace Corbyn. That will take a least eight weeks and during that period Jeremy Corbyn would remain as leader of the opposition in the House of Commons.

With that time taken up, it will then be running into spring and the new leader would the be able to pick the most opportune moment to bring Johnson and his cronies down, and that could be anytime until 2022.

The only downside I can see to the above would be Labour would not have Corbyn's great campaigning spirit at hand for that election

Corbyn has stated many times, that if the EU grant an extension then Labour will gladly have an election!
Well, his bluff is likely to be called now, because the EU will surely grant one.

Its up to Corbyn and La Swinson to give the green light for a GE. Corbyn isn’t keen to call one as he knows he won’t win!

So why doesn't he? Obvious really he is afraid he won't be PM, remebering the last GE and he clings to power, not wanting to be the shortest lived PM in history