For brexiters only please.

Are Gransnet leavers some sort of endangered species who need to be kept in a special compound, segregated from normal gransnetters for fear of contamination?

We had silly threads like this back before the fraudulent referendum, entitled "a thread for leavers to make it fair" and other such nonsense.

There has never been a thread "just for Remainers". We don't need protection from informed debate.

It would do the leavers good to get out of their safe space echo chamber and learn what the 50 million UK inhabitants who never voted their way actually think.

Unfortunately the lies will take us all down leavers and remainers both.

Except for those very few who will profit from teaming up with the US

No, it does not.

Just been to Costas and picked up the Daily Mail- wow- what a load of bitter bile and lies.

Does that make him a liar, then?

Richard Corbett MEP is a Labour Party Member and a “remainer”

I know so many leavers but only a couple of remainers. But those couple of remainers do not allow any of us leavers to even give their opinion at all so now I have given up trying. Thanks to April rose & sf101 & Blue Sapphire, etc. , for making me feel I am still making the right decision. I am skipping past the leavers posts just to find some like-minded people who do not shout me down. Huge relief.

It was compiled by Richard Corbett who is an MEP and I assume he knows more about the workings of the EU than I do, so I'm not prepared to disbelieve him. You can if you want to as I suppose he might count as an 'expert'....

Can you prove that they are, in fact, true then?

Labiak
It’s alright providing a list of what you call ‘lies’. Please justify each line with evidence to support this assumption.
Thanks

HQ has stopped a remain group.

It's a terribly sad state of affairs when threads like this are allowed.

Labaik please go and join a remain group then you can call us all you want .

Don’t worry worry April Rose we are used to the losers sniping by now , I find it so boring

Leave lies [just some of them]….
We send £350m a week to Brussels
We can’t stop Turkey joining
We can’t stop a European army
We are still liable to pay eurozone bailouts
The UK rebate can be changed against our will
Our VAT exemptions will be ended
Cameron’s deal was not legally binding
EU law is adopted by unelected bureaucrats
We can’t control our borders in the EU
Criminals arriving in Germany can get EU passports and come over here
Health tourism costs us billions
EU needs UK trade more than vice versa
Past referendum results have been ignored
Auditors still refuse to sign off the accounts
CAP adds £400 to British food bills
British steel suffers because of the EU
Irish border will be unaffected by Brexit
UK can’t deport EU criminals
UK is always outvoted
60-70% of laws come from EU
Renationalisation of industries is impossible
We get no veto on future treaty change or integration
The budget ceiling can increase without our consent
We thought we were only joining a free trade zone

I’m actually not interested in the reasons people have /had for voting as they did. I’m past all that - I think I’m not alone in that. All that irritated me was the ridiculous premise that there should be dedicated threads for a specific point of view.

I'm off too Urmstongran. Waste of time but well done for trying aprilrose.

My reasons don't have to stand your's or anyone else's scrutiny Gracesgran and it isn't for you or anyone else to say whether my reasons for voting leave, or the reasons of any leavers were or were not based on "truth or reasoned judgement".

As for the "lack of security for over three years", remainers who have from the outset attempted to subvert the result and do everything possible to force leavers to have their vote overturned, and remain in the EU; look to yourselves.

Maggiemaybe.

I reiterate that april answered my questions some time ago in a lucid and courteous way. She gave several personal family reasons for voting against the eu - reasons which were both current and historic.
I thanked her for not dodging the questions as so many do.
However, despite her very reasoned reply she gave no credible positive reasons for leaving, no details of the advantages of being out of the eu.
Two different issues are being conflated.
"I want out because............". and " We'll benefit from brexit because................
I simply haven't seen any replies from any poster assuring me of any benefits.

No Labaik it was based on solid facts

Wow! This thread has generated almost 300 posts in only 24 hours.

I’m off it now though. It was a nice thought aprilrose but it’s degenerated into a Brexit thread which is exactly the same as all the others. Ah well.
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I voted out and would do so again and again . My reasons are many and I can’t type it all out . My flag pole and Union Jack will be up before the 31st I cant wait to see the end of that awful blue flag which will have a star too many on it . That’s going to be more EU money to replace with a star less ,. Yes out out out

Do you not feel the arguments for Brexit were based on lies and misinformation, then?

When we do leave, I hope we all remember those that did what they could to overturn the result, I know I will, they let everyone down.

An interesting thread, aprilrose and all credit to you for starting it. We should be concerned that a poster has actually thanked you for providing a safe space for her to post.

The news and politics thread has been the stamping ground of an opinionated few for as long as I’ve been on GN. It’s refreshing to see new names daring to nail their colours to the mast.

I speak as a remainer, btw, but not one who thinks the referendum should be disregarded because it didn’t go the way I wanted. Nor do I feel the need to demand that people explain their reasons for voting if they don’t happen to agree with me.

The reasons are not given smileless, because you are well aware they don't stand scrutiny.

When it comes to all our lives having already been turned upside down with the lack of a sense of security for over three years, soon to be followed by years of isolation and an ever decreasing economic growth I don't think it is unreasonable to demand that such decisions are made based on truth and reasoned judgement.

yes, never been given any reason that stood to scrutiny- not a single one. And yet many of us have given reasons that DO stand testing thoroughly, about the consequences of No Deal- which are just called 'project fear'.