Will the fat lady sing?

peonyrose thank you

I would suggest that you will find sympathy on the leavers thread.

I don’t go there because I know the arguments.

So you really cannot see the damage to the country, business and the economy by not supporting the Referendum. Words fail they really do. I hope you are content with the resulting fiasco, now I will leave you to your unreasoned arguments they obviously serve some purpose to you.

In my view a GE is entirely the wrong vehicle to sort this chaos out.

It will only achieve a split vote and almost certainly another hung parliament, why risk such a result.

We need a clear cut legally bound result.

Job done.

Another day another lot of chaos.

Johnson has sent a letter to Corbyn, promising “all possible time” but to do that Corbyn must promise to dissolve parliament immediately (remember it is only in Corbyn’s gift)

Johnson expects that the EU will extend to the 31st ( as set out in Labours Benn Act)

Johnson thinks that if he can secure this request he can get both a Brexit deal and win an election.

2/3rds backing by Parliament is needed to back a general election.

This motion is to be tabled on Monday.

Labours priority is to ensure that the U.K. doesn’t crash out.

Trust in the government is at rock bottom, Johnson is a known liar and simple can’t be trusted to keep his word.

It is almost certain that Johnson has brought this forward as a way to distract from the fact that he has failed to deliver the Bill.

If Johnson’s plan is again rejected the government say that they will withdraw the bill to deny any scrutiny by parliament.

And will request an Election Day after day.

What a way to run a government.

This

Nick Robinson
@bbcnickrobinson

Agree to election on 12th Dec & you can have a few more days to scrutinise my Brexit deal
@BorisJohnson
says. Translation = I said I’d leave the EU do or die & no ifs or buts on October 31st but I can’t. So, let’s have a row about an election rather than a pledge I can’t deliver

peonyrose

Quite the opposite in fact.

I want this country to be the best it possibly can.

If this means leaving the EU, then I want to do so under the best possible circumstances.

Rushed unscrutinised WA does not do that.

I don't thing Peonyrose does either, growstuff.

I don't hate this country. What a ridiculous question!

I really don't understand what you're talking about.

To all those people who seem to delight in delaying Brexit. I would ask them why they hate this country so much they want it broken. People would give anything to have our system of government but they seem to want to change those things that make it great. Don't worry about the outcome of a referendum, we will keep on until we get what we want. What a cost all of us are paying for their games.

Joelsnan What has "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" got to do with Eastern Europe? I mentioned it because it involved working lads working in an EU country. Presumably they didn't have villas in France or learn foreign languages at school.

I don't know how many UK citizens in total commute to other EU country. However, I personally know a few.

1 Two small business owners who have manufacturing bases in EU countries.
2 An IT specialist with clients in other EU countries.
3 A friend whose mother is German and lives in Germany, who has now established clients in Germany. (He's still hoping that somehow he can find a way to move to Germany himself.)
4 A specialist in car battery technology, who commutes on a weekly basis to Germany and is just waiting until he can relocate his whole family.
5 Two people who work for big pharmaceutical companies. One commutes regularly to Brussels to pitch for business. The other is a researcher and flies most weeks to Sweden with Astra Zeneca's own airline from Cambridge Airport.
6 A gardener who is currently advising and working on a community city garden in Berlin.
7 An environmental specialist, who regularly visits towns and cities throughout the EU to research how other places manage their waste.
8 Somebody who owns a coach company. Not only does he run tours to EU destinations, but he sometimes goes to visit hotels, restaurants and sightseeing operators.
9 A music critic, who goes to gigs, mainly in Germany and Holland.
10 A medical researcher, based in Cambridge, who spends months during the year working and lecturing in Germany.
11 A restoration expert, who regularly travels to (mainly) northern EU countries to advise on the best kind of glue for various projects.
12 I know somebody who used to work for the European Medical Agency in Canary Wharf before the agency was relocated.
13 A building site project manager, now retired but spent much of his working life in Germany and the former Eastern European countries.
14 A young man, who used to work in the steel industry in the UK, but now works on windfarms in Spain.
15 A number of young teachers who have jobs in international schools in various EU countries.

The above are all people I know personally and there could be some I've missed.

None of them spoke a foreign language fluently before they started, but all of them have made an effort to learn. All it takes is a positive attitude.

He won’t get his election.

He knows it to and is threatening to go on strike??

“I’ll sqweam and sqweam until I’m sick!”

What a prize idiot.

Apparently the "bounce" only lasts for about 3 months. Only two PMs have managed to maintain that bounce for any length of time - Thatcher and Blair. I don't think the Boris Bounce will go on much longer.

All the Tories will vote for it. They are calling it ‘the Boris Bounce’. I’m not sure it’ll win two thirds as everyone else seems against it.

Johnson has failed in his 31 October bid.

A call for a GE is a good distraction.

What a shambled

growstuff
Yes I did watch Aufwiedersein Pet. Don't forget this programme was made before the Eastern European countries entered the EU.
Does anyone know how many Brits commute into Europe to work in other than EU Administration?
I imagine there maybe Brits in CERN and Aerospace, but where else?

We certainly need a GE because Parliament is stymied. Hopefully the quicker the better so we can get things moving again. I’ll cross my fingers but am not sure it’ll make any difference.

Urmstongran, i would think Johnson has no chance with that one.

While he has been acting like a spoilt child for the last few days, the House of Commons could have been scrutinising and debating the Bill on behalf of the nation.

If Parliament stands firm he will eventually have to grant the house more time whether he likes it or not.

Sorry I got that wrong in my excitement! Must concentrate better.

Seems Boris is saying if he gives Parliament can have extra time to look at his ‘excellent deal’ but they have to agree to a GE on 12 December.

Boris will just have to keep plugging away .... sooner or later an election will be called.

JC has just said GE on 12 December!!

Urmstongran I have a feeling that we are going to be stuck with this Parliament and the “Clowns” for the next three years, which will be a disaster for the UK business community and the General Public.

For more people commute than I think people realise between Europe and the U.K. on a daily basis particularly between France and the UK.

It is often quicker to commute to/from London and France than towns or cities in the U.K. and London.

Joelsnan: "A bit of a middle class I’m alright Jack attitude don't you think? Especially when the vast majority of the population would never travel to work or live abroad. How many can speak the languages of any of the 27 nations to be able to secure work. Also salaries, employment terms and conditions are lower than here in the UK. "

Didn't you ever watch "Auf Wiedersehen Pet?" You might be quite surprised how many people do have the language skills (or at least are prepared to acquire them) so that they can work in the EU, especially Germany, where salaries, employment terms and conditions certainly aren't lower than in the UK.

Nope, not without a majority. This Parliament is completely stymied. It needs a good clear out. A GE will shuffle the pack of cards.

This is like the magic roundabout....

Looks as if the QS will be voted down.

Blimey is there nothing they can do.

I suppose the answer in “no”

It has just been stated by the Tory Leader of the House of Commons that the government will not be bringing forward any legislation on the Brexit withdrawal agreement or any bill to enact a General Election in the coming week.

So, Johnson pledge to get the withdrawal Bill through Parliment and the United Kingdom out of Europe by the 31st of October will now most definitely not be fulfilled, killed of by his own hand.

I think I will go and dig myself a ditch. ?