Horrific news

Well, then it would seem to know nothing in regard to how the road transport industry operates.

You seem only interested in having arguments with other forum members on a thread that was started in remembrance of those who so tragically lost their lives in this most horrific incident.

Poor souls. I cant imagine the squalid conditions.

My above post was to GabriellaG54.

Yes, we should remember that this thread is about those poor souls who lost their lives, not a superficial argument about abbreviation of usernames which is totally irrelevant and of no consequence.

Callistemon yes, I thought the same as you, if only that poor young woman ( who sent her parents a text message ) had used the £30,000 on a business start up in Vietnam.
Apparently the traffickers have paid some of the families, (repaid the money,) I hope that through that process police can identify them, but it’s a long shot.
Hopefully the police here will be able to find out something from the driver soon.It won’t bring anyone back, but may stop any others being brought in by these criminals.

I do hope that this will result in a huge publicity campaign in those countries where the traffickers operate in order to warn people that the reality is not what is promised.

They don’t always have all the money upfront, instead they are in debt to the traffickers who make them work to pay off the debt, in shady operations, sometimes for years. Terrible. I’m not get involved in the disgusting name calling above. Doesn’t help that the border agency have been cut in the name of “austerity”.

I see, *crystaltipps, that of course makes sense.
The BBC did report that the one family had paid that amount money for their daughter to come to the UK but probably others do take out a loan.
So they are, in fact, trapped.

I can’t understand why the traffickers have paid the families back.
Surely they don’t think that this will guarantee a continuing trade.
The people who put those poor men and women into that container must have known they didn’t stand a chance.

That beautiful very young lady, she had a phone. Such a pity that she did not know to call 999. The chinese are blaming the British police. Such a very sad event and needless, when would they realise that the uk is no longer paved with gold

Article in the Guardian today by Amelia Gentleman about the trafficking of Vietnamese:

www.theguardian.com/law/2019/oct/25/trafficked-vietnamese-and-the-lure-of-uk-nail-bars-and-cannabis-farms

It never was paved with gold

Add comment | Report | Private message Callistemon Fri 25-Oct-19 19:43:59
Everyone abbreviates names on here, Gabriella
I don't see a problem
Best wishes
Calli
AKA Callifragelisticexpialidocious of course

Oh dear GabbyG -could you possibly get more pompous?

In the light of this tragic story, it beggars belief that anybody could devote any column inches whingeing that they had not been addressed properly.
Oh Hyacinth Bucket where are you now?

Oh yes, my pomposity knows no bounds ?likewise, some people's being offended at every turn. Snowflake mentality.
No backbone so recourse to clique braying.
It's water off a duck's back to me.
Have a wonderful evening. Sdtol.

Certain posters should heed their own advice.

ever since I joined this forum I have been amazed and dumbfounded by Gabriella54'srudeness, hardness and snobbery.
I wondered why is she here?
How come she wants to be so offensive?

But this thread Gabby riella is the worst you have been Vile to bitch about your name in the same thread as the dead people are being mourned.
Heartless you are. So are you going to make fun of me again? I don't care anymore what you say to me. Because I think you have reached a new low even for you. and

trailers travelling anywhere have the goods checked at the loading point and then the vehicle is sealed either with a physical metal seal or on a digital seal.

Those seals must not be broken until the vehicle arrives on a loading dock, as the case would have to be with a refrigerated trailer.

The above begs the question with this incident, why would the driver have broken the seal at that hour of the morning when he was not even on a loading dock and there was no one else present to check the seal number against the loading/delivery sheet.

The above just does not add up, along with much more in the driver's actions of that night and the previous day(s)
That’s interesting Grandad and was borne out t in tonight’s news.
There is clearly much more to this story than initially met the eye.
I just hope the police and other agencies have the resources and leadership to investigate it thoroughly..

I watched Channel 4 news earlier. They included an interview with a woman who works to dissuade Vietnamese people sending their young over. She was also Vietnamese and in Vietnam.
The families borrow money to send the child/young adult o Europe.
In Vietnam their economy still relies on remittance money. So they need their young to work abroad and support them by sending money home. She said it is blurred whether they are trafficked or smuggles. They do it because most get through.
It is so shioking.
I don't know but maybe the answer lies in bailing out the countries with money or other ways to build an economy because otherwise they will still take the risks.
I don't doubt that the life here is talked up and sold to them but the proof is that people see the houses built and the motor bikes bought so they know that it works.

I still think this rests as much if not more on Europe because they do not do checks and the drivers can cross Europe no problem.

If that poor girl was not in the Purfleet container then she is in another one. It is chilling and too sad.

Your last sentence is so true. That's why UK border checks on their own wouldn't have saved the poor people. From the timing of the text, it sounds as though them died somewhere before reaching the UK, but it could have been anywhere on their long journey.

Regarding supporting Vietnam, you'll get people complaining about foreign aid .

There is no answer to migration, education and communication raises expectations and ambitions which young people cannot realize I their home country. Add to that population growth and civil unrest all through the developing world, just one family member with a good job could be supporting lots of others.

It’s not just traffickers encouraging migrants, probably a majority have family or friends living in the U.K. that encourage relatives to join them. They are the lucky ones they will work for and marry into the community and their children will be British. The unlucky ones with no contacts would be doing bonded labour, virtual slavery to pay for their transport, some would be allowed to send money home, some are never heard of again disappearing into the underworld.

This summer I met a young woman mid 20s from Africa who admitted to being trafficked and was on holiday with her German boyfriend, she lived in Frankfurt and worked in a care home. I guess she is fairly typical well educated, with the prospect of marriage and 6 children, a life of drudgery in a dusty village, decided to take the risk and was lucky.

There's been migration since the beginning of time. All of us live in the countries we do because our ancestors moved for one reason or other. There will always be push and pull factors.

There will always be crime and criminals too, but that doesn't mean that we have to accept it. If all the poor people in that lorry had been charged £30,000, the traffickers stood to make over £1million from them. As a civilised society, the least we can do is to try and stop people from making a profit from other people's desperation. (IMO)

But how much more shocking to see the photos of real, young people starting out in life. To me those photos are so poignant. Usually people in such circumstances are nameless and faceless.

When people talk about immigration and related issues, it's rare for them to be talked about as real people.

I wonder if this will lead to more thorough checks of lorries ?

Someone on the tv news last night said checks using heat sensing devices takes just seconds.

If this was done in every country the migrants would be detected before they got here.

I suspect there will be lots said but little action.