Remainers must vote tactically

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the definition of a bully...

someone who hurts or frightens someone else, often over a period of time, and often forcing them to do something that they do not want to do:

my ex green candidate in another life was handed 2 massive orchards on a plate in an inheritance. He grubbed up every single apple tree and now it is wheat upon wheat. Green my eye, it is only what they think will get them into a cushy life

sussex if you are feeling bullied I didn’t mean it to come across as such.

I should have said but didn’t

If you are a remainer and keen to stop the most immoral, lying, and duplicitous philanderer we have ever had the misfortune to have as PM and also want to remain, it may be sensible to vote tactically if your preferred candidate could not possibly win in the election

But you see it was too long so my OP was shorthand for the message.

Remainers and those keen to stop such an unpleasant man, will get the message without feeling bullied I’m sure.

IMO a referendum would have been much preferable so that we could vote on the non-Brexit policies of the parties.

However now that is no longer on the cards, to me the only alternative is to get rid of BJ. What I would have liked to see is the other parties agreeing that if a seat is 'marginal' Tory, only one of the other parties would put up a candidate to avoid splitting the vote: annoying but wouldn't be necessary if we didn't have FPTP.

MUST? Exactly what puts voters off. Being bullied and told what they MUST do.

I'd hazard a guess that a referendum would garner the same result.

Could be wrong of course.

But if Leave did win by a small margin again, do you believe that the Remainers would accept it?

Grany

I don’t think you vote for who you want as prime minister. A party is far more than the leader. You should be voting for policies. Tactical voting is important if you want to oust this appalling government.

For once, Chestnut, I agree with you. It's total madness.

ilovecheese That would be my fear too and it's something which gets brought up on the doorstep. What I do know is that at local level, the LD activists tend towards the left wing of the party and would be very much against going into a coalition with the Tories again. Locally, the Greens, Labour and LD candidates all know each other socially and, to be honest, there's not an awful lot between them.

I can't see a GE getting this mess sorted. Brexit should have been delivered before a GE or the two become entangled.
So do you vote:
- to stop or deliver Brexit?
- for the PM you want to run the country?
- for the MP you want representing you?
- for the party policies?
Everyone will be voting for something different and that will not resolve anything.

I agree with absolutely Gonegirl. We should have had a second referendum and stuck with it - whatever the result. Then, whoever wins a GE would just have had to get on with it - no excuses - making the best of whatever hand they would have been dealt.

BTW This will make me very unpopular, but I'd dig a huge ditch for most of our party leaders.

Shelmiss I'm actually a LD, although I'm not all that happy with Jo Swinson. That's why I'd feel a bit awkward voting for anybody else, but I would. I agonise about my vote every GE, although I don't know why I bother because the Tory always wins . I've spoken to loads of people in this constituency and I know quite a few think exactly the same as you.

I agree with the previous posters, a general election should not be decided on a single issue.
If I was to vote tactically for remain it would mean voting for the Lib Dems, who might then go into coalition with the Tories again and introduce even more right wing policies. I know that there are many decent Lib Dem voters but with Jo Swinson as leader I just couldn't trust them not to continue with austerity.

gonegirl I couldn’t agree more.

But we are lumbered.

So I’m trying for a double whammy?

1.Stop Johnson from his destructive policies

2.Achieve a soft Brexit or remain.

My MP is Peter Kyle. So he will be getting my vote.

I agree I see no sense in it gonegirl vote for the party who polices you want.

Well said gonegirl

Well said Gonegirl

It's all ridiculous anyway. People will be voting tactically and then, after Brexit has been decided one way or another, they will be stuck with the policies of the party they helped bring to power, whether they agree with their manifesto or not. Where is the sense in it?

It should be a second referendum.

Lifelong Labour voter even more so as joined became a member when Jeremy Corbyn became leader. A socialist leader.

✅ Green Industrial Revolution
✅ End Austerity
✅ Ethical Foreign Policy
✅ Fund & Protect our NHS
✅ Free ? / Care for +65
✅ Abolish Tuition Fees
✅ Stop Universal Credit
✅ Renationalise ?, ?, ✉,?
✅ End Homelessness
✅ Build 1 Million Homes.

I’m a lifelong Tory voter, but no more. The way they have behaved over the Brexit debacle is shameful. I refuse to vote Labour so my vote will be going to the Lib Dems. I don’t know if that’s tactical voting or not, but I can’t vote for Boris. Or Corbyn.

Talking of 'bussed-in' candidates it's rumoured that Bozo is looking for a safer seat!

But this is just joining in with the silly antics.

Can't do it.

We have a waste of space Tory MP who sits in a safe seat. I am using the Libs tactical voting scheme. I signed up for it and will be hearing the results soon.
My long allegiance to the a Labour Party is over until Corbyn is replaced with a more centrist candidate.

growstuff

My next door mp is the Green?