Considering voting Labour?

What the hell is a typical labour thread

How does it work out with Universal Credit ?

You need average out your bank earnings and make sure to regularly update them if your average changes. They accept an average. Beyond that it works as well or badly as UC works for everbody else.

It is a disgrace grapefruitpip and it is getting worse. I notice notanan2 has chosen not to comment on a consultant breast surgeon position being offered as a zero hours contract. It is a race to the bottom. I suppose when there are not enough full time staff employed in a hospital to ensure patient safety there will be some sort of a reaction. Stopping such contracts now might ensure that never happens. There will always be a place for casual workers but they shouldn't be regarded as 'contracted' or used as substitutes for permanent part time staff.

I notice notanan2 has chosen not to comment on a consultant breast surgeon position being offered as a zero hours contract

It's not necessarily a bad thing and certainly would not mean that the surgeon wouldnt know whether or not they will be working tomorrow! Individual consultants clinic and theatre time is booked in weeks in advance regardless of contract type so they would know what the rest of their week looks like.

You can be on bank and know your rota for the next month!

Its impossible to know the team structure without enquiring. Perhaps they have a recently qualified ex registrar that they wish to retain whilst they wait for a permanant position in the trust so they have created this job advert with a specific person in mind. That happens at higher levels.

They may also have a consultant retiring that they want to retain this way.

They may have advertised traditional contracts and had zero applications so are trying this.

Lots of possibilities. Not all of them necessarily bad.

Some consultants have professorships etc elsewhere which is their primary contract but doesnt actually give them any operating time so while they have time to work at another trust, they cant for legalley weegaley reasons have 2 primary contracts.

You also cannot always locum indefinitely or on the correct payscale. They may be creating the zero hrs cobtract to retain their current locum once their contract runs out without them losing their payscale by having to go down to staff grade.

In practice they would be working exactly the same way regardless of contract.

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I dont know

No thank you

Or, the breast consultant zero hra post may focus on new fast track clinics which means less surgery and more clinics, doing extra sometimes to prevent fast track breaches and less when it's all on target. This might suit a breast consultant who is nearing retirement and wants to operate less but still work. They would have their fixed clinics plus as and when overflow clinics.

Is that enough of a response Trisher? (not sure why you thought I should have been replying to your every SINGLE word anyway, but since you asked, there you go!)

notonan you’ve given all these laudable examples, but you seem to be entirely missing the point.

The NHS itself recognises that zero hours contracts are synonymous with job and financial security, and should only be used where absolutely essential. I.e. manage surges, cover sick leave, stand by.

Issues with zero hours contacts.

There is no job security
No financial security
You can be laid off at a moments notice
You tend to be poorly paid
Your working conditions are not as good as those on ordinary contracts.
No holiday pay
No sick pay
Generally excluded from decision making.
Open to exploitation by bad employers.

Absolutely not as long as Comrade Corbyn and his cohorts are in charge. I wouldn’t vote for Johnson in a million years either and as long as the Lib Dem’s are pushing anti-Brexit without a vote I won’t support them either. Looks like being a spoiled ballot paper.........

tidy if you read all the manifestos when they are published, you might change your mind.

There is no job security
No financial security
Depends on the sector. The NHS is not likely to be fully staffed any time soon under any government, which is why mortgage lenders accept some 0hrs contracts (including NHS amongst some others) as they are a pretty safe bet!

You can be laid off at a moments notice
When restructuring happens bank contracts tend to be exempt

You tend to be poorly paid
NHS bank staff tend to earn a little more than they would on a permanant contract if the same grade.

Your working conditions are not as good as those on ordinary contracts.
Not applicable to NHS bank staff

No holiday pay
Not true for NHS. they get an extra % added into every hour they work to cover holiday pay. It is up to them to save that % for holidays if they want, but as many have another main contract, they dont bother and just take the higher rate

No sick pay
True. But as it is fully flexible it can prevent burn out in the first place.

Generally excluded from decision making.
Well heck that is a BONUS for some bank staff: same job less politics!

Open to exploitation by bad employers.
EXACTLY. They are abused. THAT needs addressing. Tightening up. They should be used appropriately! As some are.

Well done notanan2 for explaining so brilliantly and keeping cool and calm on (yes!) a typical Labour thread.
You certainly have fortitude.

which is why mortgage lenders accept some 0hrs contracts (including NHS amongst some others) as they are a pretty safe bet!

Very interested to have a link to this, thanks.

Nationwide is one grapefruit but there are others.

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a typical Labour thread

Which is what exactly please?

You dont even have to go off panel or to underwriters to get a mortgage that accepta a NHS bank contract. Of course it depends on how much you actually make, how long youve been there.... and there are other factors so no, there is no link to any lender saying they take ALL bank contracts. Of course not.

But plenty of people get their bank income accepted.

Which is what exactly please?

I already said why

notanan but that is all Labour is suggesting doing.

You long and detailed posts seem not to understand that point at all.

I am willing to accept that the NHS is a reasonable employer, but whilst making all the assertions you do you are not backing it up with evidence.

You posts simple prove to your satisfaction that zero hours contracts work, for NHS workers, but you provide no evidence of this.

It doesn’t matter though, because you haven’t refuted the basic tenant that zero hours are exploitative, in fact you agree that they are in certain cases.

tidy I wouldn’t go down that road if I were you

" You can be laid off at a moments notice
When restructuring happens bank contracts tend to be exempt"

& interestingly this is actually why some people chose to give up their permanant contracts to do bank full time: no compulsary redeployments!

This

notanan but that is all Labour is suggesting doing.
No they are not!
They are BANNING them. All contracts must have minimum hour requirements