Considering voting Labour?

Isn’t it easy and lazy to brand everyone who does not agree with you right wing.

Not really. I like truths as I have just shown you. However, you seem to want to demonise the Labour Party and "brand" them as communists. I have to say I am getting fed up of defending the lies that we see on here against the LP. I am not a member and may or may not vote for them; I haven't decided yet. However, another definition:

The Labour Party is a centre-left political party in the United Kingdom that has been described as an alliance of social democrats, democratic socialists and trade unionists.

It used to be!!

There would seem to be a huge amount of unsubstantiated hysteria by Tory supporters on this thread this morning.

Could it be that the Labour Parties great start in it's election campaign has those Tory supporters that worried.

I am no more a Tory supporter than I am a labour supporter!

But go ahead and tie us all up in a neat bow and convince yourself that only elite toffs dislike labour at the moment...

Great posts Lumarei ??????You are spot on.

.....and it’s not a great start ( debatable in any case) in the election campaign that matters, but what the end result is.

GGMK3 "The politics threads have stopped showing any sign of discussion and have just become an hotbed of right wing invective"
You have got to be joking! The politics threads are awash with left wing propaganda and hyperbole, if any other poster dares to post an anti-LP comment, they are immediately shouted down. At the moment, it's more Labournet than Gransnet!

never ever ever will I vote Tory. Boris Johnson must be the biggest lie teller ever along with Tory front benchers. He is certainly no orator and can hardly get two words out without stuttering or stumbling and repeating himself. We certainly do not need parliament run by “old Etonians” - what experience tothey have of ordinary life? The nhs needs to be protected at ALL costs from USA.

First of all Corbyn was against "millionaires" until someone pointed out that he is worth approx £3 million.

Is this what the Daily Mail tells you GG13? Where has Corbyn said - ever - that he is "against millionaires". That is such a silly statement that no thinking person would ever come out with it and I cannot believe he did. But you sware this is the truth so please can we have some references.

He is now anti-Billionaires?

Again. When and where did he say this?

The very entrepreneurs who provide employment and apprenticeships.

And again. Check your facts. The numbers of apprenticeships are not all good news.

Apprenticeship starts for 16- to 18-year-olds have continued to fall, and level 2 starts have dropped by more than 50 per cent since the apprenticeship reforms were introduced, according to the latest government statistics.

Skills minister Anne Milton said she was “pleased” that starts overall have risen by seven per cent between the first three-quarters of 2017-18, and the same period in 2018-19.

However, that rise is thanks to 82 per cent more people aged 25 and overdoing higher-level apprenticeships at levels 4 and above, according to FE Week analysis.

Meanwhile, starts at level 2 have plummeted by 51 per cent and starts by 16- to 18-year-olds have dropped by 23 per cent since the year before the apprenticeship reforms were introduced in May 2017.

feweek.co.uk/2019/07/12/apprenticeship-starts-for-16-18-continue-to-fall-as-level-2-cuts-exceed-50-per-cent/

Labour is not a party that encourages people to be aspirational, it is the party of "envy taxes".......ironical really when there are as many "rich elite" in The Labour Party.

What trash. Labour and the particularly the Trades Unions have educated so many people to achieve the best they could be. Why should the poor pay a greater percentage of their income that the excessively rich? All they are asking is that everyone pays their due before taking all the country can give them. It is not about the "rich elite" as you choose to call them, it's about the hoarding of excessive wealth by evading and avoiding paying your share.

Well Opal it's easy to change things just post a few of the policies which you support and say how the Tories will make things better for all of us

They will never give proof of what they are posting trisher, there is none. If Johnson is lies, lies and more lies then so is what we hear from those who follow him.

Just for the record, being a Conservative does not automatically make you a fan of Boris Johnson.

Of course it doesn't. Isn't it interesting how often the word Corbynista is used against any one who doesn't agree the right though.

I'm afraid, of the leadership of the Conservative Party there are many who lie and you only have to look back at what has been said on here to understand how far from actual truths there supporters are prepared to go.

As far as I can see not once has anyone come back with a quote or other reference. Conservatives in large number don't even understand what "truth" is in my experience. However, I would love you to prove me wrong and offer some of the proofs that have been asked for on here today.

GracesGran - Most main parties over the last 30 years have been centre left or centre right. This Corbyn party is no longer centre but far left and the far left want communism .

Once the Labour Party elect a reasonable and moderate labour leader then we can talk. No way is Corbyn anything else but radical.

@IwantJC4PM

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More than a full minute of whoops and cheers for Jeremy Corbyn as he arrives in Harlow for his speech today.
twitter.com/IwantJC4PM/status/1191729772952522753?s=20

The group Beautiful South springs to mind.
Promises, Promises turn to dust...…... wedding bells just turn to rust{ that bit is for the cheaters out there}.
They talk the talk but do not walk the walk

It is still the Labour Party Lumarei and I really do have trouble with the childishness of name-calling when it comes to someone purporting to want an adult discussion.

I assume you were a member of the Labour Party and are now feeling disaffected with them. I'm not sure what they could do to please you. They have voted for the same person, isn't it twice, and it seems he is what the membership want.

Is it a bad thing to be a "radical"? After all, Margaret Thatcher, whom many seem to hold in high esteem, was certainly one. As it seems to me, have been all the conservative leaders since her to some degree or other.

Where, oh where, is there any proof that the Labour Party want Communism. On the left/right political spectrum I can give you more examples that show the Conservative Party moving to the far right than I have ever seen of the Labour Party moving towards Communism. Think of those poor One Nation Tories who were kicked out of the party. Look at how many Tory MPs are not going to stand again because the party has left them and what they have always believed in.

We are back to rather puerile when you say you will not talk to me because of the leader of a party I have no say over and to which I do not belong. So perhaps the only thing to say is "goodbye".

Reading through this and other similar threads, I am reminded of an auntie of mine when I was a child.
After an argument with other adults about anything, she always said:

“Well, you believe what you believe, and I’ll believe what I believe!”

End of.

If you own your own home and have children who you want to hand it down to.......*do not vote Labour*

gg13 but if you vote conservative you will get Johnson, as well as the other rabble he surrounds himself with.

What a depressing prospect.

‘All property is theft’ I think GG13
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Regarding the so called gift tax, I agree that as explained it seems particularly penalising and difficult/impossible to collect.

However, I shall wait to see what and how it is explained in the manifesto before outlining it on this thread and commenting further.

Not all of what a political party wants to do will necessarily fit well with me, but what I look at when deciding how to vote is the overall balance and how it sits with my world view.

I don't know where the piece you screenshotted came from, GG13 but it is incoherent. The words as put together make no sense whatsoever.

I couldn’t read it, it is all blurred tbh.

If you click on it it comes up as a separate image, which should be readable.
It's hardly worth the effort though as it appears to have been written by a semi-literate.

I think 250K seems pretty fair .