Considering voting Labour?

Can you imagine the reaction of the right wing press if Corbyn had been the PM who decided to suppress a report on Russian interference in our democracy just before a general election?

Thing with Labours promises , you have a leader who is very left wing, and supports things like communism.

Not sure what 12Michael's evidence is for this threadbare cliché. However, if we're talking about links with Russia, we need look no further than the PM's toxic sidekick, Cummings, and the PM's extraordinary decision to suppress a report exposing Tory links with Russian oligarchs and the influence within the British political system that these oligarchs are buying.

So much that is untrue in there Michael that it's hardly worth answering. You just go on believing the lies you're being fed...

For 'not a party of change' the tories managed a great deal of change over the last 40 years. Unless, of course, you regard destroying Britain's industry, destroying the trade unions, privatising everything in sight and presiding over vast increases of wealth at one end of the 'wealth' spectrum and increased poverty at the other, not as 'change' but as just restoring the Natural Order of societal relationships.

Thing with Labours promises , you have a leader who is very left wing, and supports things like communism.
For there nationalised programme everybody would be worse off, reasons being increase in basic rate of income tax up to 33% or higher, they would have lower the tax threshold to the first £5500 being tax free.
Pensioners would be worse off , despite Corbyn being a 70 year old pensioner himself .
There are things which past labour governments have introduced which have lead to the country being n debt , and it taking years to recover .
Its costing the county councils over £40 million a year to maintain concessionary bus travel, and no help from central government , when the labour party introduced all England Bus Pass , it was better as a local regional scheme to help those in villages etc get to shopping areas and hospitals , als0 as to the bus pass , in England in general if you live in one county and your bus operator is based in another , they operator claim from the county council the bus company is registered in , say on holiday on the coast , the local county council pick up the visitors tab , not the county council where the bus pass was issued .
Mick

That’s why there is a tendency for older people to vote conservative, as traditionally the Tories are not a party of change.

I'm not sure that Gnet has ever claimed to be progressive, painting ?

Are you a gran or a grandad? Just curious.

But I have to say that I agree with you.

I’m not a LP supporter, but can’t understand why those who bang on about “we can’t afford... libraries, youth services, cleaning rivers, flood defences“....etc (to defend the Tory cuts) also boast about being “ one of the richest countries of the world”..... ??????

I take it ypu're not considering voting Labour lemongrove and Oopsminty.

God. I despair of the bloody grans and grandads on here.
Shape up you has beens. Young people are much more sussed than yourselves.
Would say that, and say it again I am really shocked at the grans and grandads on here who appear to have zilch awareness of history and fascism and slump in their armchairs, not willing ot change themselves or learn anything.
sorry but it is true. Gransnet not progressive and moderation a load of bollocks.

Totally agree with Trisher : I don't believe that anyone should make money out of supplying clean water and fuel to anyone. In a civilised society these should be available to everyone at a reasonable price. They should be state owned and run on a not for profit basis.

A main reason we're on fire here in California is because of PG&E's (Pacific Gas & Electric) for-profit practices. Instead of burying electrical lines, they went the cheaper route of stringing them through trees and now, because of climate change, those same trees are tinder bombs ready to explode. It would now take BILLIONS to do what they should have done in the first place if they hadn't been worried about the bottom line for themselves and their shareholders! www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/18/business/pge-california-wildfires.html

From Bizzjournals: Amid Pacific Gas & Electric Co.'s bankruptcy and wildfire safety woes, the utility's incoming chief executive officer Bill Johnson will receive an annual base salary of $2.5 million...

It's disgusting .

Urmiston. Again, the tired old friend of Terroist line. Supposed links have been disproved. He us a commited Pacifist, who stands by his principles.

The country is already bankrupt. National Debt has nearly tripled. At least under Labour we will see something for it. I'd like to know where all that money has gone. Certainly not back to the people who have been suffering under uneccessary austerity. We do indeed deserve better.

The nationalised industries were sold off so the profits could be paid to shareholders rather than invested in the companies. I don't believe that anyone should make money out of supplying clean water and fuel to anyone. In a civilised society these should be available to everyone at a reasonable price. They should be state owned and run on a not for profit basis.

BT pension fund has a considerable deficit that would need to be resolved before nationalisation. Another Crown guarantee etc.

The nationalised utilities overnight became the privatised companies, & employees were offered discounted share option. Pension terms for existing employees were agreed, & any new employee from the date of privatisation had a new contract & joined a new pension scheme. Employees were not ‘tupe’d as such.

Of course it is Oopsminty and if the LP got into number ten ( unlikely) no doubt it would be the first bit of the manifesto to be kicked into the long grass, trodden on and then buried.

But we won't be expected to pay for the Internet

So why do we need to pay for other utilities?

It's just political posturing and won't happen

I really don't understand the reference to free gas, water and electricity. Of course they wouldn't be free, just as they weren't free when the utilities companies were stat-owned.

I'm the one who's a bit baffled. The employees will transferred to the nationalised industry, just as many of them were transferred to private companies in the first place.

Their pensions would need to be a subject of negotiation, but they would be transferred too.

What's the problem?

Ignorance is bliss

You must be easily baffled! ?

Emm...what will happen to the employees? Perhaps they will be employed by the state or were you thinking robots?

OMG can you imagine it? Free access to information etc...what next? Perhaps advocating free libraries for all?

Oh no! That’s been done and taken away.

What about the thousands of employees pensions?

If he starts to renationalise all these utilities what will happen to the employees?

And while we're on the subject why should people have free Internet?

Why should we have to pay for gas, water, electricity?

Baffling