Considering voting Tory?

I think that some of the Tory-supporting posts are what is called moral disengagement. They will scroll past all the posts talking about the immoral conduct of the Tories and how we have more of it to come and decide that normal ethical standards do not apply to the Tory voter.

They have completely separated their moral reactions from the inhumane conduct that is talked about so they don't feel the disabling mechanism that normally comes with self-condemnation and stops the action being repeated.

I can't think of any other reason for this behaviour.

Inkcog
What/ why do you want to know? Why do they do it, how do they get away with it. The 2 families I know are very different but one thing they have in common is 'disabilities' ?
With one family it's easy to work out the money as the father is on 'disability' with 7 children. The other one has been on 'disability' most of his adult life and is now 60. I know exactly what he does to pass the assessment and it's not something I'm going to put up on GN. It's very clever, though.

Sun 08-Dec-19 20:11:56. I agree with your post Hetty. Almost every cut will have effected the NHS at some point.

The Channel 4 "Everything But Brexit" debate this evening was excellent. Philippa Whitford, SNP health spokesperson commented that we do not have a shortage of doctors in A & E, It is all the cuts elsewhere that feed people into and staying in A & E that is the issue.

You can read a synopsis of the debate here. There was no Tory or Brexit Party representative.

In answer to you Meryl, I would like more understanding of how a poster knows for sure that 3 families are abusing the benefits system?

I know of people who should be paying tax and yet don't,people who indulge in the practice known as flipping their homes, people who fiddle their expense accounts, oh and my particular favourite.......a neighbour who is employed by the fire service and also runs a lucrative building business in his spare time. Cash in hand, obviously.

GrannyGravy13 Say no more!!!!

Just come home from watching Ken Loach's "Sorry We Missed You". Don't watch it if you don't want to know what life is like for some families.

I did bother Opal so don't you dare patronise me. So how would you sort out the genuinely needy from the "scroungers"? Practical and workable solutions only please!

Sorry Baggs I was busy this morning. It was in the Telegraph too, but that's behind a paywall. I'll see if I can find a video or a verbatim transcript.

As it happens, I was at my local hustings this week and my local Conservative candidate said more or less the same thing. Unfortunately, too many of her constituents are of the same opinion.

I find it difficult to understand how thoroughly nasty these people are.

varian I didn't mean I literally can't understand why.....it's just an expression and are you saying that most people are that stupid? that they vote the way a newspaper tells them to?
Maybe you are right.
I did once ask an intelligent woman who she voted for, she said Tory. I was so surprised I asked WHY? and she said because her parents did....she was in her 30's and had finished a degree course.
I could not get over that......

I never read the papers you mention.

No growstuff if you had bothered reading my post properly, you wouldn't have needed to ask that particular question, as I'd already given the answer in my earlier post, as you well know.

And before asking me any more questions, kindly answer mine - are you saying that people who pay more tax are superior to those who pay less?

Yes, I did bother to read your post properly. Did you bother to read mine?

You obviously have no idea what it's like to have to claim benefits.

No, I don't think that at all, but you obviously do. You seem to think that you and your family are supporting those who need support.

Frankly, the attitude of people like you just disgusts me.

In answer to you Meryl, I would like more understanding of how a poster knows for sure that 3 families are abusing the benefits system?

I can never understand how people believe they know this. I didn't know all the ins and outs of my mother's finance until I had power of attorney. Add to that the general effect a nosy neighbour or relative who has some kind of superiority complex can have I would think they could well be winding the 'oh so certain I am right' person.

Why doesn’t that poster who “knows for a fact”” people who defraud the benefit system report them ? That surely would be the best thing to do, rather than want to take money away from those who genuinely need support.

There was an MP who, when canvassing in the last election, was told his party needed to deal with the likes of "her on the corner" or something to that effect. He listened and then carried on calling from house to house. When he got to the identified dwelling he knocked and got into conversation with the women who lived there. It turned out the woman worked from home and hadn't yet got to "know" many of her neighbours.

Why do some people have to be such interfering old bats? If you have proof then, as crystaltipps suggests, report them. If you don't have proof then you don't actually know and you should stop defaming people.

It’s not hard. Vote Conservative if you think you’re being deprived of the life you think you deserve by people who have even less than you do. Don’t vote Conservative if you think you’re being deprived of the life you deserve by people who already have way, way more than you do.

O’Brian

A tweet

This afternoon a man said to me he cant vote Labour as he hates Corbyn

I asked what has Corbyn said that bothers you? He replied he can't remember

I asked what policy of Corbyn bothers you? He said he wasn't sure

I finally asked what newspapers he reads. He said the Daily Mail

We are at the amazing stage now, that if

Lib Dems in 17 Constituencies voted Labour

and

Labour voters in 12 Constituencies voted Lib Dem

we would be rid of Boris for good- as PM and MP too.

The problem is that Labour has not been willing to join the Remain Alliance. If they had been willing to stand down in some places and endorse tactical voting, we could not only be rid of Johnson, but also the likes of Rees-Mogg, Redwood and Liam Fox.

whitewavemark2 Well, that was a decisive result wasn't it.

I don't think your Mr Corbyn and his cult was as popular as you made out.

So you prefer the Boris Cult trueblue?

Has anyone heard a peep from Whitewavemk3, MaizieD and Crystaltipps since the election?

trueblue exactly, although it must have been a shock for
Those Labour members/voters who really didn’t see it coming!
Reading these pages you can see that they thought Corbyn could really get into power, even though many in the LP including MP’s saw daily how unpopular he was in the country.
The UK doesn’t like extremes.

Gloating and sniping, not attractive.

The UK is now run by an extreme liar.

As a doctor I have to speak out: Johnson has contributed to thousands of deaths
The prime minister’s neglect of the NHS has resulted in too many tragedies. If he were a doctor, he would be struck off

• Andrew Meyerson is a junior doctor working at Worcestershire Royal hospital

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR0rqEImXBtgeJmjxDtKUSnflcyJp705YM1JVLQacOaPsE86f3DEK3Jo3q4