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grapefruitpip Tue 05-Nov-19 11:49:37

Odious person.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:34:08

Cannot hear anyone demanding Jeremy Corbyn resign over his support of the IRA "armed struggles", or any of the other enemies of the UK he has openly supported.........Oh of course not, that's ok because he is not an "Eton Educated Conservative"??????

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:22:34

annie as far as I can remember a Labour government paid the money back in 1997 together with something like £1.5million as compensation for taking it in the first place .

Perhaps you will correct me if I’m wrong, only I’m sure you will remember.

Anniebach Wed 06-Nov-19 09:12:51

Will a Tory government make the survivors pay towards the removal of the tower as a labour government made the people of Aberfan pay towards the removal of the tips ?

It was known the tips were unsafe just as it was known the cladding on the tower was unsafe.

Iam64 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:09:40

Phew, that's strong from George Monbiot and scarily accurate.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Nov-19 09:03:21

George Monbiot

Rees-Mogg's comment reflects a core Conservative doctrine: blaming people for structural problems.
The poor are blamed for poverty.
Fat people are blamed for the obesity crisis.
And the #Grenfell victims are blamed for being murdered by the government's bonfire of regulations.

Luckygirl Wed 06-Nov-19 08:48:10

He's a piece of work isn't he?

I can understand someone saying that it was unfortunate that people were advised to stay put when the principle of that advice had been breached by the fire rapidly consuming the outside of the building - the compartmentalisation system had been overridden.

But his words were beyond crass - and the sight of Tories trying to excuse them is pitiful. He represents all that is wrong with the government - well ex-government at the moment.

One of his apologists described him as an "authority figure" - dear me. He does not even have authority over his own tongue as it unwittingly spews out evidence of his ivory tower mentality and absence of humanity.

grapefruitpip Wed 06-Nov-19 08:30:34

At least 18 children were killed in the disaster. Among them were a six-month-old baby, Leena Belkadi, and Logan Gomes, who was stillborn in hospital on the day

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-19 07:39:44

I suspect they reinforces the image.

crystaltipps Wed 06-Nov-19 07:11:10

On a shallow note - I’m sure his suits are very expensive and bespoke, but why does he choose a double breasted huge jacket style that makes him look even more cadaverous, and looks like they don’t fit on the shoulders? ( I used to work in couture and tailoring so I notice this sort of thing)

growstuff Wed 06-Nov-19 06:36:52

Prof Mary Beard tweeted this yesterday:

"The UK will be doing a lot better when so many of us don’t confuse being clever (and I am all for being clever) with being a posh boy in a suit sprinkling Latin. (I am all for Latin too, but not the sprinkled variety!)"

I wonder whom she meant hmm

I actually missed what Rees-Mogg said and I can't be bothered looking for it, but I despair when I read Andrew Bridgen's defence of him. It's not the first time that Rees-Mogg has been rude and dismissive. I thought the majority were fed up with the "elites", so I really don't understand why anybody can condone the attitude he and Johnson show towards the "plebs".

Grandma70s Wed 06-Nov-19 06:29:58

I am no admirer of JRM. I would not vote for him or for his party. I do think, though, that he has been somewhat misinterpreted on this occasion. The tabloid tendency to reduce everything to a simple, easily comprehensible soundbite is very much in evidence.

jannxxx Wed 06-Nov-19 06:19:58

what a hurtful and disgusting thing to say, proves hes a a$$ole

Ginny42 Wed 06-Nov-19 06:09:58

I wonder what the people living in identical blocks with the same cladding think of his comments, and indeed of his party's lack of urgency about removal of the cladding on their homes?

The idea that an apology makes it alright is unacceptable. It was a callous response and not worthy of someone in his position.

Loislovesstewie Wed 06-Nov-19 05:57:39

We none of us know how we would behave in any given situation. I often find that people who think they would do the 'sensible ' thing ,don't when faced with a crisis . They totally lose it and can't function . I have met people who look like butter wouldn't melt in their mouths, they are frightened of getting hands dirty but when push comes to shove they have been , brave, sensible and taken charge. Mogg should shut up until he has faced a crisis and only then say what HE did, not criticise others.

Just to add, lots of education does not equal clever. They are two different things IMHO.

Iam64 Tue 05-Nov-19 21:45:38

I'm amazed that anyone can you that old chestnut 'taken out of context' in order to defend the indefensible

By suggesting that common sense meant people (like him) would have got out of the building, despite the advice to stay put, he inferred that those in the building lacked common sense.

Reece Mog said - if either of us were in a fire, despite what the fire service said, we'd leave a burning building...sseems the common sense thing to do

He should resign.

Andrew Bridgen- conservative MP - says "we want very clever people running the people don't we". That in response to the suggestion by a journalist that Mogg suggested he was more clever than the residents in Grenfell.

They keep digging don't they

Eloethan Tue 05-Nov-19 21:18:48

JenniferEccles Please only speak for yourself. I did not think the residents lacked common sense. I expect they assumed that trained fire officers knew what was the best thing to do. For heaven's sake if a senior officer thought that "staying put" was the right decision, why would you expect frightened and panicking people - some elderly, disabled or parents with babies and young children - to defy the instructions given to them by those who are trained to deal with fires? (and I am not criticising the many very brave fire officers who had to deal with this dreadful incident. But I do question the ability of a senior fire officer who seemed unable to realise that this was not a text book occurrence that could be dealt with by text book procedures but a situation that urgently required evacuation.)

The fact that Rees Mogg apologised is totally irrelevant. He thought what he thought and he said what he thought. It shows the kind of shallow, unfeeling character he is. Don't try and switch it round by saying those who object to his remark do so because of "class envy". I am a Labour supporter and if any Labour politician had said what Mogg said, I would think it terrible.

What is pathetic JenniferEccles is that someone feels because a person is "unfailingly polite and well-mannered" it justifies him making the most outrageous comments about a tragedy such as this. I like politeness and good manners as much as the next person but to strongly imply that people who have had the most terrifying and life-changing experience lacked "common sense" is to my mind far beyond rude - it lacks humanity. It's particularly gutless that he, and his supporters, try to squirm out of it by saying he was just reporting what some other person or persons had said.

The next part of the inquiry, looking not at how the fire was dealt with but at all the reasons why it became uncontrollable so quickly, is the one which will hopefully prevent such a tragedy happening again.

Anniebach Tue 05-Nov-19 21:14:32

Grandma70 I thought the very same .

Anniebach Tue 05-Nov-19 21:12:48

No grapefruit it isn’t about me but I think my question was fair,

Grandma70s Tue 05-Nov-19 21:11:48

I think if the fire brigade told me to stay put I’d have stayed put. I’d have been afraid there might be fire on the stairs. I’d have believed they would rescue me.

That’s what I think I’d have done, but perhaps when faced with the reality the instinct to get away from the danger would be just too strong to resist.

Anniebach Tue 05-Nov-19 21:11:06

Because I asked if anyone else has, no one said they did

grapefruitpip Tue 05-Nov-19 21:11:01

Annie, no you are not. But it's not about you really is it?

A man lost 5 family members. 5.

jura2 Tue 05-Nov-19 21:06:42

How on earth do you come to that conclusion FGS! sad

Anniebach Tue 05-Nov-19 20:44:42

Seems I am the only one this thread who questioned
‘What would I have done ‘

SirChenjin Tue 05-Nov-19 20:30:21

Equally Annie the RF members you mention don’t tend to make such offensive comments - they ‘do emotion’ by showing care and compassion for people who have experienced trauma.

lemongrove Tue 05-Nov-19 20:27:59

mcem I have already agreed with your first point.