Mogg

I don't think we are discussing the Royals are we?

What a silly phrase " do emotion".

You don't have to weeping and wailing to show genuine human care.

How about not blaming Johnson or the Council or anyone else until the findings are out fully.Have we become a kangaroo court?

lemon it's called inference. It's done all the time.

lemon
1. I have listened to the transcript and stick to my opinion that he was well out out of order in saying what he said.
2. I am not blaming Johnson in his role of PM but for his role in instigating severe cutbacks in his role as mayor. Did you forget that has been an utter disaster in other roles before the present fiasco?

trisher you must be able to see that it isn’t the same at all.
One is a bald statement as in....’the Grenfell residents lacked common sense in staying etc’ the other is saying what you would have done , and feeling that leaving a burning building is common sense.
I have already agreed that he shouldn’t have said anything, being a Minister being interviewed on radio isn’t the same as his private thoughts.

‘It seems the common sense thing to do’ is not

The sensible thing to do was ‘

SirChenjin. ‘Doing emotion ‘ is hugging survivors and saying loudly ‘I feel your pain’ .

The Windsors for example, the Queen has never done hugging, William and Kate never done hand holding in public,
they don’t ‘do emotion ‘

" it seems the common sense thing to do".....I quote.

I heard him several hours ago and I condemn him. His choice of words were offensive, crass and ill judged.

Here's the statement.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/05/jacob-rees-mogg-claims-grenfell-victims-lacked-common-sense
If you say that you and the person interviewing you would have left the building and it is just common sense to do so you are inferring that anyone who did what the fire brigade said and stayed put hadn't the common sense to leave.
It isn't excusable.

He was ill advised to say anything at all on the subject, but lies about what he actually did say isn’t helpful.

lemon '' I suggest everybody listens to the whole transcript.''

I did, I am sure most commenting here have.

SirC.....it’s simply a lie to say that he said ‘ the Grenfell residents lacked common sense’ so, yes, everybody who is busy condemning him on here should hear the words he actually used.

I doubt anyone could say with any certainty what they would do if they were in a 24 storey building which was aflame.

Never mind mystic Meg. Mystic Mogg.

mcem......did you really say ‘blame Johnson’ ?!
He wasn’t the PM at the time, and in any case, why blame any PM at all?

Everybody lemon or just those who haven’t listened to it?

As man in his position should recognise his own shortcomings and if he knows that he can’t ‘do emotion’ (whatever the heck that means) then he should keep his mouth shut - when in doubt say nowt, as the saying goes.

Having just heard what Mogg actually did say ( as opposed to the GN Chinese Whispers ) although it would have been better not to say a anything,he certainly did not say that ‘the Grenfell residents lacked common sense’ ! I suggest everybody listens to the whole transcript.

Will anyone say they have thought or asked a family member - ‘would you have stayed inside’ ,

I have thought about it

Kitty and Ooopsminty, what a shame it isn’t about Mogg the cat, I used to love those books

I'm understanding what Anniebach is saying.

I agree he should not have said what he did.

However, I watched the documentary after the event with interviews with relatives. Many had been on the phone to residents, pleading with them to leave.

But they'd been told to stay.

I'm sure these people are wishing they'd been told to evacuate.

Should Jacob Rees Mogg have said it? No, of course not.

But it's out there.

It was in the inquiry.

Staying put was the wrong advice.

But as someone else has said, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Not defending , you have never wondered what you would have done grapefruit ?

Absolutely unbelievable......you defend him Annie?

It is not our place to be thinking what we would have , could have ,should have.

Nobody knows. Being terrified does strange things to a person.

I know someone like Rees Mogg, they ‘do logic’, can’t ‘do emotion’

Wonder how many thought the same as him but could ‘do emotion’

We went on hols to Cape Town with sil and bil. Our apartment was in a block with fabulous views of the ocean, and we had a huge deck with jakuzzi and another balcony, on the 12th and last floor. Bil is a big project architect, and he was terrified and kept saying it was a death trap- and we just laughed at him as we loved the view. It had been recently refurbished - and when we discussed this recently- he said 'do you realise now why'. Yes, we do, now.