Mogg

No, sorry I don't have to take that. We only have one life, we have to try and rise above the pain.
I'm not sure being on this site is doing you any good Annie.

Ring a neighbour, talk to the Tesco man. go out with the Mind worker, see your family. Check in here if it suits.

grandad43, I cannot accept your apologies, you said I along with others could have been found partly responsible for killing those children .

You thought you could say such a vile thing because I said I didn’t read your posts. I don’t read your epistles on health and safety , constant repetitions .

I sincerely hope and pray you and grapefruit never go into a makeshift mortuary with parents looking for their children’s
bodies . The same parents you claim could be partly responsible for the deaths.

Rock bottom and still drilling comes to mind when I think of that post you wrote,

tbh, I am not that interested in silencing anybody or unions.

I do feel concern for your wellbeing and your obsessive posts.

As can I.

Some want me to be silence because they are touchy when union power is critcised, I will not.

And one more thing, grandad43 has said the fathers of those children who died in Aberfan were partly responsible for the deaths of their own children .

I need say no more on this, but i am certainly not the one who needs to get help.

anniebach, you stated in an earlier post in this thread that you did not read my posts in any thread. That is why I stated that had the Health & Safety at Work Act been in existence at the time of the Aberfan tragedy then the investigation and Courts may well have concluded that those who lived in the village and were employed at the mine had at least some responsibility for that terrible disaster.

If that statement of mine upset you anniebach as someone who was caught up in that disaster then I apologise, but without doubt, the statement is the truth.

However, if it is in any way a consolation to you then the thought that had the above legislation been in existence at the time of the disaster then almost certainly that catastrophic accident would never have happened.

As I stated earlier in this thread, risk assessment is at the very heart of the Health & Safety at Work Act and it's encompassing legislation. In that, risk assessments by trained competent persons would have been carried out on the hazards of tipping the mine spoil on that hillside, and on those assessment results, the tipping operation would never have begun.

Again apologies anniebach if what I stated upset you, but you did say that you never read my posts.

Well said gonegirl. Tragedies are personal things like grief and bereavement everyone reacts differently and in their own way. annie has as much right to her feelings as anyone and can say what she choooses.

Annie, for God's sake get some help and begin to let go and move on

Who the hell do you think you are?! Bloody cheek.

Oh you know ? another expert

There comes a point where colluding with something you know to be unhealthy is damaging.

Guts grapefruit ? others have good manners

Blinko The report on the LFB covers the instructions. As you said the LFB did not know that the cladding did not meet safety requirements and therefore instead of being safe shut in their flats many residents lost their lives. When doors are opened fire spreads quickly. The film Backdraft clearly shows the result of opening doors in burning buildings.

Some Tories have been telling that Mogg has apologised profusely as if that should satisfy everyone. Why is it deemed that an apology makes everything better? Mogg had thoughts and he didn't mis-speak as one Tory MP stated this evening.

I have no control, clearly but I can't sit back here and not have the guts to say something...unlike a lot of others.

maddy he is an expert because he said he is. He is a staunch supporter of the Labour Party but not a member because he said he wasn’t.

grapefruit for heavens sake do stop trying to control what is posted

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Yes grandad43, my father, grandfather , my uncle Phil who lost his two sons, his wife and his house were partly responsible for killing those children. The fathers, grandfathers and uncles who dug their children’s bodies out were as you say partly responsible for killing their children.

And for those who complain they extended sympathy recently, I did not start that thread

For those who complain I have brought it up, I do so because
like Grenfell there were warnings before the tragedies which were ignored .

maddyone ''Is he really Maizie? Who told you that?''

if you took the trouble to read his posts, you would realise that.

Where are we going with this...the Edge Hill disaster, the Glen Cinema disaster,the Auchengeich disaster .....HMS Truculent.....

maddy, of course, but there is a time and a place and all that.

Life has moved on so very rapidly, lets try to look forward.

Is he really Maizie? Who told you that?

Perhaps instead of spouting so many facts some posters could show a bit of emotional empathy.

We had a massive and empathetic thread about Aberfan last year and there was another one recently on the anniversary of the tragedy. Please don't accuse Gnetters of not being empathetic.

maddyone. *Grandad is a Health and Safety expert. It's his business.

Grapefruitpip, people have to move on whether they want to or not, but my Jewish friends feel very differently than you about the Holocaust. They have said they will never visit Germany because their families were victims in the holocaust. We must accept that people react differently to events, particularly tragedies.

Hetty, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. There are still many buildings, both council and private, up and down the country, which are still covered in the same, or similar cladding. That should be the main consideration now. Not argy bargying about something an MP said.

Yes, but at some point we have to shed our skin and move on.