Mogg

No grapefruitpip, you’re not, but neither is Annie ‘banging on’ about Aberfan every two minutes. She is entitled to remember and compare, just as we are all entitled to remember past tragedies.

Mogg's apologies don't help now. Why are there still blocks covered in the dangerous cladding? Where is the respect for human life, the concern for safety? It's a total disgrace!

So ,I'm Jewish, am I banging on about the Holocaust every 2 minutes?

Gonegirl, I apologised earlier in this thread for my part in making a post in regard to Aberfan. However, that once again was in response to anniebach raising that tragedy once again and making a false statement in regards to it.

I do realise that anniebach may have lived in the village at that time and was caught up in the tragedy, but I do not accept that as being a valid reason for continuously raising the tragedy whenever possible on this forum.

It was being caught up in a very serious workplace accident that brought me into continuous full-time employment in industrial safety. In that, I feel extremely proud to have been part of an effort that has reduced workplace accidents and ill health by over eighty-six percent since the introduction of the Health & Safety at Work Act in 1974.

When a tragedy happens near to you or affects you personally, then people do remember. Of course Annie remembers Aberfan, she lives near there.
We remember and honour the armed forces who died in two world wars, we remember the people who died in the holocaust. Of course we remember. Is anyone suggesting that we shouldn’t remember these victims? The children of Aberfan are just as important and just as worth remembering as the Grenfell victims.

To return to the main topic: surely residents would expect the LFB advice to be authoritative advice.

The LFB would have based their advice to stay put on the belief that the building met certain standards of design and construction.

The fact that it clearly didn't is not the fault of the LFB.

As has been remarked already, the next phase of the inquiry will seek answers.

Meantime it behoves politicians to shut up till all the relevant information is available.

None of us can possibly imagine what we would have done in that situation.

Gill, I’m not at all sure there are any ‘experts’ on this thread.

Gonegirl, good posts again.

You don't forget easily

The tragedy should be forgotten. Many here have experienced personal or community tragedy, they choose to leave well alone.

Whereas Grenfell is recent.

Just a quick reminder; David Cameron was cheered to the rafters at conference when he promised to 'cut red tape'. Just why do people get themselves in a fizz about 'bloody health and safety gone mad'? What is so wrong about coming home with as many limbs as you left home with? What is so wrong about buying a piece of equipment and knowing it is safe for the purpose? Someone, or a combination of people made errors in Grenfell, but whoever it was, it was not the people who lived, and died, there, and to infer otherwise is crass.

Perhaps instead of spouting so many facts some posters could show a bit of emotional empathy.

^ to raise the terrible tragedy of Aberfan on this forum for reasons that are best known to herself.^

Maybe it's because she is Welsh and might live near to where this terrible tragedy happened? That kind of thing leaves a mark on you. You don't forget easily.

jura2 in regard to your posts @14:46 and 14:52 today, many thanks for your support of my posts but you may not be aware that anniebach takes every opportunity available to raise the terrible tragedy of Aberfan on this forum for reasons that are best known to herself.

However, myself and others over the period that I have been a member of this forum have tried to explain to anniebach that the legislation was not in place in 1966 so as to bring prosecutions against those that bore responsibility for the tragedy.

I have stated once again earlier in this thread that the Health & Safety at Work Act was brought forward in 1974 in the main as a response to the Aberfan disaster, and in that Act for the first time made liable those responsible for workplace accidents.

I believe that it was the decision of the local pit management that allowed the spoil from the mine to be sighted on the hill above the school and local employees of the mine carried out the tipping of the spoil there.

Therfore, had the Health & Safety at Work act been in place at the time of the Aberfan Tragedy the investigation and the Courts may well have concluded that persons resident to the town and employed at the mine were at least in part responsible for the tragedy along with the senior management of the then National Coal Board.

That stated, the above act was not in place at that time, so no justice could ever be obtained by those who lost loved ones and all others caught up in the terrible disaster.

Hopefully, with the Grenfell Tower tragedy, we will all eventually witness those responsible brought to justice, but due to the structure and scope of the inquiry now taking place that may well be still some way off at this point in time.

your silly post to Jura was what I was referring to Maddyone. I do get exasperated when someone who knows an industry, knows the rules and regulations, someone like Grandad gets dismissed as being long winded and repetitive, or is this just the usual dismissal of experts by those who are unwilling to listen?

Incidentally, not nearly as rude as some of the stuff I’ve seen posted on Gransnet, especially about Leavers!

What is Gill? My observation of Grandad?

maddyone how very rude, and childish

No, you’re right Gonegirl, he should have been more diplomatic with his words.

I don't read Grandad's posts.....I sometimes scan them.

That's ok I think?

"How has this ended up about other members?"

To deflect criticism away from Jacob Reece Mogg.

No different Miss Adventure to the poster whose name has been mentioned and does the same and often .

maddyone surely there's no need for a politician to pile on a cruel comment to someone's grief.

I think it says a lot about the man's psyche.

How has this ended up about other members?

Jura, ha ha, you fell for it, Grandad is very knowledgeable! Well he likes to appear so, but he really isn’t.

Annie, I don’t read Grandad’s post either, you’re right, read one, you’ve read them all. I don’t like the way he lectures other people.
Of course, some posters are saying ridiculous things about JRM, they always do. Grenfell was a tragedy, so was Aberfan, but sadly awful things do happen. Hopefully lessons can be learnt from every tragedy, but whatever lessons are learnt, there will always be another tragedy another time. Life is not risk free, and it never will be. Blaming JRM in a hysterical way for making a comment that would have been best not said, is not going to alter the fact the the fire occurred. The responsibility is not JRM’s, the responsibility lies elsewhere.