Corbyn

No one is objecting to debating with Annie or rather about the Labour party policies or what is said by any specific politician, Iam. My post doubting Annie's capacity has been deleted. Annie's comments doubting the capacity if anyone who does not agree with her about Corbyn - not the policies - are made time after time, after time. They are just as out of order as anything I have said. Someone called up the "attack the ball and not the person" phrase. I couldn't agree with that more but perhaps you, as you are happy to tell some of us what to do, could tell Annie to "attack the ball and not the people". After three years of it I have had enough. Rein in Annie's comments about other members and you will automatically stop those made about her.

Thanks to Eloethan for attempting to return this thread to its OP. I agree with her that Shamima Begum was young and impressionable when she was groomed into her support for Daesh. She has given birth to three babies, all of whom are dead. She has a family here in the UK who want to care for her. Any rudimentary knowledge of the camps she's living in will confirm that it's very dangerous to say anything against Daesh. Those who do suffer dreadful consequences including their tents being set on fire, their children and themselves attacked.
The fact that some young people are more open to grooming than others is not a reason to exclude the majority from involvement in politics. When most of us were growing up, the voting age was 21 and when my grannie was young, women weren't allowed to vote. Listen to many young people being interviewed about politics and hear as many intelligent, informed comments (or the opposite) as you'd get from older people.

Can I make a suggestion? If those who so strongly object to Anniebach's views on JC avoid getting into heated debates with her, maybe that may help everyone. No offence meant to Anniebach, who is entitled to post as often as she wants about your views on Mr Corbyn. Where ever we stand on the allegations of a problem with anti semitism in the LP, it's clear that the leadership has a real problem in dealing with continuing allegations. Two people who are currently named as candidates in this current election have been shown to make anti semitic comments in recent years. They both apologise and say they were young and didn't realise etc. One says he has now visited Auschwitz and realises that anti semitism is dangerous and wrong. The Palestinian issue is of huge importance of course but support for the cause is too often linked to anti Jewish sentiment imo.

How about you stop instead and get back to talking of politics.It seems to me that it’s you who has a problem.
Either don’t reply to a post you don’t like or look for threads that you prefer.

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I think the GE will be Corbyn’s ‘swan song’ and that he will then resign.

Of course Annie will be ‘allowed’ to carry on posting whatever she likes about Corbyn ...just as the many Johnson bashers will be allowed to carry on, and why not indeed?
The politics thread is to talk about politics and politicians but
not to say malicious and really unkind things about other posters in a highly personal way.
Accept what GNHQ has said and stop trying to justify your
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Anniebach's post of 18.40.00 is a prime example.

I am not a Corbyn supporter, never have been and will continue to think he's a bit of a twonk - yet I'm told to "carry on with the adoration". Yes Anniebach I am fed up with your puerile and snide comments, which most adults grow out of after they've left the school playground. I don't feel that your comments add much to serious discussion because they seem to have been taken straight out of tabloid headlines.

It is not the dislike of Corbyn that is the issue although if you look back and see just how many threads Annie has started just calling out Corbyn, it does seem obsessive, but that is certainly Annie's problem not anyone else's.

What I object to, is the puerile way, the same every time for the last three or more years, she puts others on the other extreme if they don't agree with her pet hatred either because she has no control over what she posts or in a rather sad attempt to close down any possible nuanced discussion. I have never heard anyone who shows opposition to Johnson suggest those that agree with his stance to be anything other than people who agree with him. Arguments may be put against the political point but no one suggests that they are "Johnsonites" or "in love with Johnson" or "followers of Johnson".

Once or twice this can be ignored. Three or four times it can be ignored but three plus years of it is eventually either going to feel very annoying or very worrying or both.

I have explained to GNHQ how I -and I think others - feel about this but I imagine Annie will be allowed to continue and no one will be allowed to say it how it seems.

Just checking a few threads and there seems to be an equal and vehemently obsessive dislike of Johnson too.

Should we be concerned?

Thank goodness I don't particularly like either of them.

I do worry for Annie

If you don't mind me saying, many of you have a very strange way of treating or speaking to someone you purport to worry about.

If someone has a firm faith in Corbyn, his politics and his principles, why should it upset anyone whatever negative views are posted about him?
The same goes for anyone who supports any politician and their views.

Now that GGM3 post has been deleted, I have asked for my post of 20.19.40 to be removed too so that there is no reference to GGM3’s comments.

Annie....I think plenty of Labour supporters view Corbyn with a jaundiced eye, which he will soon find out at the GE.

Disgraceful post from GGM3.....so glad it has now been deleted.

What happened to not ‘playing the man’ I wonder?

Name calling of politicians is one thing, insulting a poster under the guise of being concerned for them takes unpleasantness to a whole new level.Yuk!

I remember when the Park next to Leicester prison was renamed 'Mandela Park' by the Labour Council - the outcry from the Cons was massive.

My OH's fmily was torn apart by apartheid - he became 'a crime' at the age of two- and the only choice parents had was to flee to UK- which was possible and grandfather was British. Many in the family lost everything and were treated abominably by the Regime. What choice do people have- when they have no right to a say in the ballot or anywhere else?

When young people under 16 have been groomed and sexually abused, there is no argument that "she/he knew what she/he was doing, she/he was a willing participant, etc, etc." It is the groomer who is criminalised, not the groomed.

It has already been acknowledged that this girl, and others like her, were groomed but in any event she was under 16 when she was groomed and when she left the UK. We don't say of a sexually abused girl "Well, she was nearly 16").

There is quite a big difference between allowing a person under 16 to have sex (with its health and pregnancy implications and possibly under duress from and older male) and allowing young people to have their say in the political process.

It's interesting that the scenario of under-16's being drawn into Momentum has been posed to oppose the idea of 16 year olds voting. Why not use as an example the Young Conservatives?

Corbyn supported Mandela and the ANC which were at the time and by many people described as terrorists, including, I think, Mrs Thatcher who was quietly supportive of the South African regime. Two of my work colleagues continued to take the view that Mandela wasn't a hero or even a freedom fighter but a vile terrorist. Many others feel differently and do not view anyone who went to speak to anti-apartheid rebels as "a friend of terrorists".

It's nothing to do with politics to keep name calling and accusing others of adoration or love either Doodle It doesn't present an argument or add anything relevant to a discussion. And GGMk2 is right it is worrying

gracesgran that is not an acceptable way to talk to anyone.

Neither is it acceptable Doodle to keep calling people the same names and inferring the same, exactly the same, political stance when someone has been told, year after year that it is simply not true.

I do worry for Annie. I don't think you will find anyone else behaves in the way. I find it unacceptable verging on the inappropriate. No one ever comments until she turns on others and shows how extreme her views are.

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Doodle can you explain what is acceptable about calling anyone who questions the allegations made or posts support for the Labour Party, a Corbyn lover, or saying they adore Corbyn? Or if it is acceptable to keep posting the same vitriol?

gracesgran that is not an acceptable way to talk to anyone.

There are many on this and other political threads who bang on and on and on about the same thing over and over again. All the threads have the same basis. I am right and you are wrong. I think your comments to annie above are rude and uncalled for.

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growstuff you accuse me of being spiteful ? of not using logic ?

This thread is the ‘we love Jeremy’ thread ,

Carry on with the adoration

For everybody who is coming out with accusations of anti-Semiticism, I could come back at you with people who are claiming it's rubbish.

Just because you like somebody, doesn't mean they're right.

Anniebach Do you ever use logic? Why would David Blunkett be labelled extreme right? He could, however, be wrong.

I'm getting a bit tired of your spiteful comments.

Suppose David Blunkett will now be labelled extremely right
wing.

Thank you for the link Oopsminty

David Blunkett isn't happy.

I always liked him

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/08/david-blunkett-says-he-despairs-about-labour-and-antisemitism