Corbyn

Breathtaking? Corbyn’s rabble rousing, I think not.
Being able to rant at the home crowd is his speciality, as are things he can vote against and doesn’t like.A leader he isn’t.
He is a weak vacillating man promoted above his pay grade.

Corbyn and the Labour Party have lost touch with ordinary working class people. It's a party completely dominated by North London. Nigel Farage

Labour no longer represent Leave voting constituents in the North, Midlands and Midlands

Breathtaking. Channel 4 Researchers have put together the top 20 Jeremy Corbyn speeches over the last 30 years. They show a remarkable consistency of principle. Journalism at its very very best.

I was wondering that. All this endless comment and for what purpose?

I'm no more likely to vote for Jeremy Corbyn today than I was when I joined GN

Even though I've read many supportive posts from intelligent posters

Imagine getting the main/most vocal political contributors on political threads in a pub somewhere. Would they speak to each other in the same way?.

Kind of where I was coming from ladymuck

Doodle, no-one in their right mind would be influenced by the comments made on Gransnet.

I don’t disagree about debate painting but from all the threads I have read on GN there has been little debate more dogmatic I am right and you are wrong from both sides. I was merely asking if anyone’s vote had been swayed by comments from either side.

Just as a matter of interest.....knowing nothing about the procedure.....when a person decides to stand as an MP, surely checks are made on the person's background, history, membership of organisations,etc.

Surely someone who has proved themselves to be anti-British (as is suggested by the facts stated about Corbyn), they would not be permitted to be a member of Parliament?

Doodle,
Your views are positively dangerous.

People lose faith in the political process and they lose faith in democracy at it's core.
I and many others are of the view this was a deliberate strategy on behalf of some (yes tories) so that people would cease engaging in the political process.

Guess what, you have lost it. We are continuing to engage, and all the young people along with us.

And yes, I do think it is important to engage in debate.
And yes, I do think Corbyn is a man of principle.
And yes, I do think he would do a fantastic job.

painting

It’s all the same. If you are a Labour supporter it’s bash the Conservatives and if Conservative supporter its bash Labour. Just wondering in all these political threads where each side think they are in the right and everyone else is wrong whether anyone has been swayed by the arguments of either side to change their voting plans.

To be fair, I think the first remark in the OP shows compassion.

Don't agree with the second remark though.

Unsubstantiated vitriol which has been proved wrong but which is still repeated? Or fair comment on a stupid remark?

Vitriol is coming from both sides. Just look at the Mogg thread.

But Corbyn thinks 16 year olds are immature

I do wonder what it is that stirs up such vitriol from some posters. I think perhaps they find anyone who has good basic principles a kick to their conscience. They know that ultimately war and terrorism are wrong. They know they should be worked against and combated, but they do nothing. So they turn on anyone who has a history of working to stop such things. They make false accusations and refuse to change their views even in the face of evidence.
As for 16 year olds voting Why not? After all if we have a fixed term 5 year Parliament they may vote at 16 but won't have another untl they are 21 and 15 year olds won't get a choice till they are 20.

Corbyn

Judge us on whether we’ve built a million genuinely affordable homes so that decent and secure housing is within the reach of everybody.

“Judge us on whether in-work poverty still exists in five years’ time

“Judge us on whether people are still sleeping rough after five years of a Labour government.

“Judge us on whether proud women and men are still having to depend on food banks five years into a Labour government

“Judge us on whether we’ve unleashed a Green Industrial Revolution, created hundreds of thousands of green energy jobs in the communities that need them most, and significantly reduced our greenhouse emissions.

“We don’t have any time to waste.”

It is in the BBC clip, you didn’t watch it I assume Maizie

You've watched the BBC clip, I assume, Annie?

And cordon off an area for people to say what they dislike about all the party leaders ?

Yes, he said ‘I was there but I don’t think I was actively involved in it’ .

A wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who murdered Olympic athletes and he didn’t think he was actively involved!

People have short memories. There are also young voters who will not know of the personal history of our current politicians. Doesn't do any harm to keep them informed.

I happen to agree with GracesGran. She's correct in many ways !

Should we cordon off an area for people to say what they dislike about the man?
That way , there would be no need for the endless dredging up?

Here you are, Annie

The Corbyn Wreath Row Explained

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45196409

Yes Anniebach. The bodies of the terrorists were in the same graveyard, but people who were actually there have confirmed that Corbyn probably didn't even know about the graves.

He was laying a wreath in memory of dozens of Palestinians and Tunisians, including civilians, killed by an Israeli air attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunisia on 1 October 1985, an act that was condemned at the time by the UN and Margaret Thatcher’s Conservative government. This is an annual ceremony which is held by Palestinians and Tunisians to mourn the dead in that attack.