Party Campaigning

Callistemon they do get everywhere ?

Funny how the aggressive perpetrators seem to know who they are. I'm quite happy to be labelled a snowflake - a far less unpleasant person and very happy with that.

Are you on the right thread tooting. The post at 8.10 says nothing about snowflakes and it's by MawB.

GGMK3 the post tooting is referring to is the very next post timed at 8.38 and is by WWMK2

Thank you!

I think the appropriate response to the OP is the old one- "If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen"

gangy why did you deliberately start a thread you knew would be a bun fight. Bored were you?

And what trisher said

In the beginning of Gransnet, I used to enjoy posting on here quite a lot. I have a great interest in politics and enjoy discussing things with anyone willing to listen. The bitchiness and 'I am the only one who is right' attitude is not worth giving time to.
I certainly don't have the time to spend on here as many others seem to find and certainly not to discuss politics in a fashion that is rife on here. I am pleased to be the person who points this out and am prepared for all the brickbats coming my way.

Unlike you gangy5 I’ve never had much interest in politics but come on these threads to learn more about the differences between each party.

However I struggle with how people end up attacking not just a different viewpoint on one subject but their whole belief system instead of simply, politely stating their case.

I’ve been rubbished by partisans for trying to find the middle ground and seeing the other side of the equation as if that was a bad thing. Very few things in life are black and white and I would hate to be so biased that I couldn’t countenance another sincerely held view.

When I first joined this forum the political threads were ok, posters who supported different parties, not now

The bitchiness and 'I am the only one who is right' attitude is not worth giving time to.

So your answer to the issue you raise gangy5 is to call members, other than yourself of course, bitchy. What a wonderful example of your unconscious sexism to add to your abuse of you fellow members. You also seem to be saying that, in regard to particular threads you believe you are, in fact, considering yourself "the only one who is right", so much so that you think your views deserve a whole thread!

I suggest you look to yourself be for criticising others.

Well GracesGranMK3 your post says it all

Pantglas Aren't politics based on belief systems?

Whitewave, who’s Anne

Growstuff, you’re right that politics is based on belief systems, but some people hold their particular views much more strongly than others do. Some are very much middle of the road, whilst others lean one way or the other. Some people can’t see another’s person’s point of view at all, but others are very empathetic. Some tolerate others opinions, others don’t, and even seem to dislike the person rather than the opinion.
Sadly I do think some Gransnetters avoid the political threads because they can get extremely heated and they don’t like the conflict.

To be honest, there are plenty of other areas on Gransnet. Nobody's forcing anybody to join in or even read the threads.

I have some very strong views on various political issues, although I don't conveniently slot in to any of the existing political party. I must admit that I would appreciate well-reasoned debate and I've found Gransnet somewhat disappointing in that respect. I would like people with opposing views to defend and justify their opinions rationally because I don't think I'm always right, but I suspect some people would see that as a spat.

I usually ignore posts which don't say very much. The posts which annoy me are those which seem quite deliberately flippant and distracting, snipe at other people or attempt to shut down political threads .

Well GracesGranMK3 your post says it all

Let's hope so gangy5 and then we won't get people telling others where they can and can't post and how they should do it as the OP does. The arrogance of that sort of post is quite stunning.

Surely we should just let's people discuss the subject avoid the subjects the aren't interested in. This thread was yet another intended to goad. On other forums "talkers" are dealt with. Sadly not on GN.

Belief systems aren’t just about politics though are they Growstuff? They’re about religion, personal health and morals, work ethic, family, friends, socialising, money etc.

There’s no need to rubbish someone with different opinions to your own, just accept that they see things differently.

I'm not rubbishing anybody. Yes, I agree with you that belief systems are about more than politics, but they do tend to define a person's politics, which is why issues such religion and money are often intertwined with politics. In some parts of the world, political parties are heavily influenced by religion (eg Northern Ireland). I think it's quite difficult to separate belief systems from politics.

In recent times, politicians have become more aware that party politics are about belief systems. I wish I could find it, but there's a video somewhere of Dominic Cummings boasting that the referendum was won by tapping into people's belief systems and prejudices. I've forgotten the actual words he used, but he knew that Leave would lose if they argued rationally.

gangy5..... I think there will be many who agree with your OP but because of aggressive posters may not come out and say so.

I expect it'll be somewhere in his interminable blog, growstuff. If you can be bothered to plough through the 'I am the greatest living genius thwarted by men of common clay' stuff...

Lol No thanks Maizie. I've spent many hours reading it, trying to find something to justify his reputation as a genius. I think it was probably on YouTube or the MSM somewhere, but he's maybe had it deleted.