Lying for votes. No costing from ERG Tories but lies about not yet released Labour manifesto.

Yes they are all economical with the truth and spin to suit their political agenda, thinking that the population is guilable enough to believe them. They hold us in contempt thinking a snappy slogan will sway us one way or another and they will exploit circumstances for their own ends. The recent flooding a case in point. Photo opportunities and an opportunity for another righteous protest. Behind the scenes the wheels of government and local governments kick in, with warnings, emergency services standing by to protect lives and property. Extra Ordinary people just getting the job done

Using the floods to put North against South ?
A disgrace

What many people seem to forget is the EU had lost its appeal to many people ling before the referendum.

This is not about the EU; it is about lying: gross, deliberate lying.

Planglas Your attempts to distract will not work. We currently have a party and a leader who is involved in gross and deliberate lying. Is that so okay with you that you will put up any fallacious argument just so you don't have to judge what is happening an have an opinion whether that is right or wrong?

I’m not the one putting up with fallacious arguments though am I?

I’m the one who doubts them all, unlike those who are biased one way or another, who believe one set of lies and half truths while damning t’other side and try to persuade me differently!

The claims of the left wing tory bashers on these threads really are becoming so predictable ...

So is your defence of a party that creates lies that undermine democracy. But it appears that is okay with you. My opinion is that it is not okay whoever does it. Remember while you are so anxious to tell us you don't care about these lies, that "a man is known by the company he keeps". It appears we have quite a number who don't think it wrong to lie in order to defraud. We should remember that in future discussions.

A straw man argument is fallacious Planglas, and you throw them in by the barrow-load.

Nobody is defending fraud - we just think it happens on all sides and so would anyone who wasn’t biased.

The claims of the left wing tory bashers on these threads really are becoming so predictable and laughable,

You're at perfect liberty to post some lies by other parties, Opal, it's just that the tories seem to be leading the field at the moment.

we just think it happens on all sides

So give us some evidence, then..

It is happening now on a huge scale. Why can't you just say it is wrong? You have to go up-hill and down hill an throw in any distraction you can find in order not to say it is wrong. Not condemning is a form of defence.

To pantgas.

It’s wrong. Now admit you’re biased.

It’s hilarious!
Some cannot accept that lies and smears are used in all sides can they?
I would hate to be so partisan and blinkered.

In fact....it’s a ridiculous thread.

It is a ridiculous thread, lemongrove!

To suggest that only one party lies is absurd

They all do it

Perhaps they do 'all do it' but what is new is concentrating on the untruths rather than promoting your own policies. So that when questioned senior ministers will bring the subject up again and again. It can only mean one thing they realise their own policies are useless and only blackening the other party will get them elected.

.......but that is as old as the hills trisher !

Good heavens, the way everyone is going on you would think one party or the other had done something outrageous that no political party had ever done before.

It is just the same old, same old each side saying every spending plan of the other will mean that income tax will be doubled or parents will be selling their children into slavery to eat.

?exactly Monica...... we have heard it all before, many times.

lemongrove perhaps you could post some instance from another GE where one party only criticises the other and never mentions its own policies.

I have just seen the most cringeable party political broadcast ever starring Boris Johnson, who likes walking his new dog first thing in the morning, cooking steak and oven chips and listening to the Clash and the Rolling Stones. A true man of the people who wants to "get brexit done". Relatively few lies (for him) but I feel sick.

It is awful isn't it varian If anyone wants to cringe- www.youtube.com/watch?v=97zPDojMWiQ
Watch out for Boris's nod to inclusivity when he says "Hi" to an Asian man who just happens to walk past

I read a good letter in the "i" the other day. It was on the lines of: If you are disillusioned/undecided and don't know how to vote, do this. Put all the election addresses on the table, cross out all the statements which are common to all the addresses, cross out all the statements which are incorrect and then cross out all the statements you disagree with. If there is anything left, vote for that party.

'If' anything's left - but I doubt it!