Lying for votes. No costing from ERG Tories but lies about not yet released Labour manifesto.

Opal speaks with wisdom! These threads are drowning in left wing propaganda, and a lot of muck throwing. There are some really obsessive left wing posters who just keep repeating themselves. Still, I suppose if they vent here then it gives their friends and family a break.

Yes, I imagine a lot of husbands who hide behind their newspapers murmuring ‘yes dear’ to their angry wives.?

Mmm no right wing posters or propaganda then? Possibly because even the most ardent can't find a damn thing to post about!!!

The court of Appeal has found against Vote Leave and upheld the judgement that the commission has the right to publish its findings which vote leave has unsuccessfully tried to suppress.

Electoral Commission
@ElectoralCommUK
· Nov 12
The Court of Appeal has today found against Vote Leave and confirmed that we have the power to publish our investigation findings. Read our statement: bit.ly/2Q9TOY0
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Full quote from the Commission following today's court ruling that is available on our website.

Molly?Stroud
@MollyMEP

Vote Leave, led by Johnson and Cummings, committed electoral offences during the 2016 referendum

They’ve just failed in their legal attempt to cover this up

We should not ‘respect the referendum’: it was won illegally by Tory PM

I consider it an 'electoral offence' to have put a pro-remain leaflet through every door paid for by taxpayers who had no say in the matter. It told us all the wonderful benefits of being part of the EU and what a loss it would be to leave. As a leaver I did not want to pay for that leaflet. There should have been a similar leaflet for the leave side.
Despite that, the people still voted to leave!

Totally agree here with Opal Pantsglas2 lemongove (that made me laugh) and Chestnut
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Actually, it is a mess. No less than Labour. In other news today in the Guardian, McCluskey: "The shadow cabinet should keep quiet about how it would campaign in the event of another referendum." In a word let's keep our head in the, ahem, sand, and not talk what the Labour position is on Brexit.

So not a lie - but a big omission!

And that is how the cookie crumbles. Labour will lose this election. And no amount of sunny uplands and great goodies party programme for UK that they have planned will save them.

Q. As regards politicians lying - how do we know they are?
A. Their mouths are open!

C’mon people, it’s a GE. We expect our politicians to lie. It’s in their DNA.

Urmstongran - that is why Labour target the youngest voters. They know how idealistic and gullible they are, and will believe the lies. Easy prey.

We should not ‘respect the referendum’: it was won illegally by Tory PM

The fraudulent referendum in 2016 was won by lies, cheating hand foreign interference. That is why nobody should ever say "I respect the result of the referendum"

The fact is that good people were deceived. They were persuaded to believe lies. But since then, in spite of the unrelenting efforts of the right wing press, most UK citizens have realised we would all be worse off if brexit is not stopped.

Just look at the evidence of opinion polls over the last two and a half years.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/?removed

It was won illegally by lies

They all lie in the run up to a general election as well. Corbyn promising free university places and then back tracking by saying it was an aspiration!

Clegg saying fees would be @bolished and then it wasn’t affordable! The tories promising whatever and then the books don’t balance so it can’t happen!

Of course I’ll respect you in the morning.......

Of course I’ll respect you in the morning....... love that comment Pantsglas !!

Chestnut, are you referring to the booklet ”Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK.”? This was a HM Government publication.

The Electoral Commission also published a booklet ”The 2016 EU Referendum Voting Guide”. One full page describes the advantages of remaining in the EU as seen by 'strongerin.co.uk'. One full page describes the advantages of leaving as seen by 'Vote Leave'.

There is a strong whiff of hypocrisy about saying how idealistic and gullible they (youngest voters) are, and will believe the lies. Easy prey.

There are posters on here who are quite happy to accept the results of a referendum premised on lies and which has been shown in the law courts to have been conducted illegally. Now who's gullible?

Quite so, Greta.

We elect and pay our politicians to make political judgments on our behalf. That is why we should never have had a referendum - leaving or remaining in the EU was a matter for Parliament to decide. Having had a referendum, we should remember that it was advisory, not binding. The promise to uphold the result was made by a PM who cleared off the day after the referendum.

Anyway, several posters upthread have said that it is ok for politicians to lie, it is even in their DNA. Why then do these same posters get upset that some people think it is ok to have a second referendum or even just revoke Article 50?

It's like Groundhog Day reading these boards. Remainers seem unable to stop themselves posting the same thing over and over again.

Time the leavers started to listen then

I know Chestnut, I just can't help it! Every time I open my mouth (so to speak), the truths just keep pouring out!

But it gets so boring, rather like that Police song which keeps repeating 'message in a bottle, message in a bottle....' about a thousand times.