Murdered in New Zealand

Thanks, as I don't read newspapers (they are all such liars) I hadn’t seen his name so was just going by the TV news etc
Not only did he murder her but took explicit photos of her dead body and merrily went off on another date whist her body was still in his room and before he had bundled her into a suitcase (how he managed that I can’t imagine she didn’t look tiny) and buried her and you think it should have been manslaughter ladymuck I despair

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Is this normal for Gransnet? I am new here. Utterly foul comments.

A woman with great heart I see ladymuck so what are you really saying that it was her own fault ? Yes I do despair at people like you with so little empathy for another human being

galaxy it’s normal for a few posters thankfully not many are so cruel and heartless

No ladymuck that wasn’t a sexual thrill game that ‘went wrong’. The post Mortimer showed pressure to her windpipe (and bruising - sorry for the graphic detail) that could only have occurred by sustained pressure of between 5 and 10 minutes. Just think about that and let it settle.

A doctor said because she was young and healthy if that pressure had been lifted for a short time Grace would have survived.

RIP Grace

Choking needs to be made illegal during sex. Impossible to enforce but it's about changing the culture. Poor girl. And it is not just her there have been a number of women who have been killed and then the rough sex excuse is used.

I haven't read about the trial, I looked at her picture, her age and that she was murdered. I didn't want to know about her sex life. The fact is that she was murdered and from what I understand he then went out on another date, put her in a suitcase and buried her. I wish the death penalty was back. He is a monster. He didn't have one victim that day, her parents and family will live with that lovely girls loss every day as long as they live. How they will go on I don't know. How people like Lady Muck can justify any of it shows us the people we have in our midst, it was a heinous mobstrous crime against a beautiful girl that wanted to travel, as thousands do, she was so very unlucky to meet up with that pevert.i never read 50 shades, I think books like that denigrate and debase women. Young vulnerable women think it's normal. It's not, All these porno shows coming on the television normalise casual sex, no love in it. The expectation to look a certain way and alter your appearance until you do, such a lot of rubbish.

Urmstongran I haven't been following the trial, so I'm grateful that you gave that detail from the post-mortem. It seems pretty obvious that it was murder and the jury got it right.

I agree with you.

It's a big leap from casual sex to murder during a sexual act.

No only did he brutally murder her he took sexually explicit photos of her, spent a period looking at pornographers on his laptop before going out on another date and some (well maybe one) are questioning HER character
I too have never read 50 shades I had no idea what it was about apart from sex but if it was about SM it should never have been printed

Sorry predictive text again...... pornography not pornographers

As far as I am aware the statement that she wanted him to choke her during sex was a story he told as part of his defence. Is there any proof from previous partners that this was the case? Or is it just another of his lies.

I truly despair at the comments which seem to suggest that she was somehow to blame for her own death

Talk about blame the victim - perhaps women should sign a consent form before sex - please let it be known that I don’t consent to my own murder. Funny that women don’t seem to be murdering men during “rough sex”, but men are increasingly using this as a defence to murdering women.

Galaxy whilst BB is right that it’s not many, there a small, vocal bitter group of posters who are misogynistic. On about half a dozen threads at the moment young women are being treated with disdain and contempt. I do wonder what sort of sons women who hate women produce and I also wonder if they have daughters and how their mothers affect their sense of self worth.

The ‘rough sex gone wrong’ defence is sadly being increasingly used by violent murdering men.

Thanks both, it wasn't just this thread so I did wonder. But there are also a lot of people calling it out so that's a good thing.

Please continue to join us in calling it out Galaxy.

This is a good article- it includes the point that misogyny has become mainstream.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/22/rough-sex-defence-indefensible-grace-millane-murder?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This murder is absolutely shocking and I feel the right verdict was delivered. Poor Grace and her poor parents.

It's now been reported in the press that her murderer has form for doing this kind of thing to girls and that he is a serial liar. Even his half-brother has told of how rotten he is. And of course no one can consent to their own murder.

I hate this concept of blaming the victim for their own death. I thought as a society we'd gone past that.

Sue if you read my link, you’ll see it’s getting worse.

Ladymuck Your suggestions are appalling. As far as I can see there is no evidence that she was into rough sex. That was his defence without her being in a position to refute it. And the memory of that will live with her parents forever.

Galaxy it's not just rough sex being used as an excuse for killing a woman. Often the excuse given is that the man was bullied etc etc.

Too often reasons are given for killing women when there are no witnesses to contradict and yet when a woman kills the partner that has been mentally and/or physically abusing her she is still tried for murder rather than manslaughter.

An ex boyfriend was called as a witness and confirmed her sexual interest in rough sex.
That suggests that might have been an element in this case but being into rough sex does not make the victim deserving of being killed!!

Just been talking to my son in NZ he said they are all sworn to silence about his name and warned that anyone mentioning his name on social media etc can face prosecution
He also said its common knowledge he will be out in 10 years

Why?

I thought New Zealand was better country than that.