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varian Fri 22-Nov-19 20:42:06

I am watching the Question Time special .

So far Jeremy Corbyn, Nicola Sturgeon and Jo Swinson have been held to account and answered questions.

Now Boris Johnson is not being held to account at all. Questions he won't answer are just glossed over and he is allowed to get away with it.

Tooting29 Fri 22-Nov-19 21:03:57

I just watched it too. I thought Nicola Sturgeon gave a very assured performance out of them all.

jura2 Fri 22-Nov-19 21:15:10

He should not have been allowed to not answer about the Russian Report. What a bumbling fool.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 22-Nov-19 21:17:41

Agree about Nicola Sturgeon, Jo Swindon also did a bit better than she has been doing; I really think she needs time in the job but she will always have to explain her voting record. I thought Jeremy Corbyn put his plans over well; he is good talking to real people too. The winners are the audience! Intelligent, well thought out questions and, although some obviously find it daunting they have stood there ground and politely made their points. Sadly I have to agree that Boris is being allowed to get on to his own topics and speak off question and at length. I think this should be the format for Question Time in the future.

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 21:23:17

I was surprised how well JC came across, on the whole. NS answered assuredly (apart from what the position of the SNP would be IF the U.K. ended up Remaining in the EU).

JS struggled massively. The Lib Dem’s obviously haven’t been forgiven, even yet, for voting with the Tories on austerity and also student fees.

BJ found it a more hostile audience. How to defend Tory 9 years with cuts etc. He concentrated on his time as London Mayor. He scraped through, mostly due to his inherent popularity.

jura2 Fri 22-Nov-19 21:28:44

Well bumbling BJ again made JC look like a statesman- calm, answered the questions directly. And again, I was really surprised by how well he came cross.

Jane10 Fri 22-Nov-19 21:49:16

I was amused to see Jimmy Krankie trending on twitter!

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 21:52:43

One has to put this in context jura2 - Sheffield is very pro Labour and Remain. Difficult nut for Boris to crack. At least he didn’t get booed! That was an unexpected bonus I suppose.

JC was given a hard time over a video in which he featured regarding anti-Semitism. It wasn’t plain sailing for him.

NS came out best I thought but floundered over the SNP stance if the U.K. ended up (via Corbyn) having a second referendum on the EU and voting to Remain. That was her stickiest moment. Oh and the huge drug crisis, the worst in Europe, especially in the Glasgow area.

JS definitely performed the least well. Her UNdemocratic stance to revoke A50 didn’t go down well - even with Remainers!

lemongrove Fri 22-Nov-19 21:55:20

On the whole the format was miles better than ‘ the great debate’ and the leaders made to sing for their supper instead of coasting through.

jura2 Fri 22-Nov-19 22:11:49

Made up my mind- and I am very surprised about this- VERY.
I will vote tactically, and will be Labour.

jura2 Fri 22-Nov-19 22:26:59

If Labour and Lib Dems worked together- they could definitely ensure a second referendum. Not working together will probably result in No Deal.

dragonfly46 Fri 22-Nov-19 22:34:37

I thought Bumbling Boris did the least well and Jo Swinson did better than expected. Every time Boris speaks he rattles on about his time as mayor of London and Brexit. Nothing else seems of any importance and he could not defend his previous racist remarks.
Watching Have I Got News For You it was very apparent the Conservatives missed a trick not choosing Rory Stewart as their leader.

suziewoozie Fri 22-Nov-19 22:46:40

Jane that’s not amusing it’s just more of the outbreak of sexism and misogyny that is infecting GN at the moment. Fine not to agree with NS politics but why sink to the gutter of making fun of her supposed appearance?

prestbury Fri 22-Nov-19 23:37:28

As far as I am concerned, Question Time tonight was a farce.

If you are going to have political leaders together where were Plaid Cymru. Brexit Party, Greens etc.

The only parties that should be involved to my mind are those that involve all of the UK. This should exclude the SNP, Plaid Cymru, Ulster Unionists and Ulster Nationalists.

Callistemon Fri 22-Nov-19 23:51:29

I agree Prestbury re lack of representation.

I said to DH, this was held in England with plenty of Scottish accents but I didn't hear one Welsh accent.
We always hear plenty of Scottish opinions daily on our TV and radio.

GracesGranMK3 Sat 23-Nov-19 00:36:50

That's my thinking at the moment Jura.

Labaik Sat 23-Nov-19 00:50:39

We have to remember that Sturgeon and Corbyn are both battle hardened campaigners. And that, although I have great admiration for Nicola Sturgeon, what she ultimately wants is the break up of the Union, and the thought really saddens me. Other people don't seem to be constantly questioned about their voting record as Swinson is, and Corbyn has repeatedly voted against a peoples vote etc. I still feel that his weakness as opposition leader has led to a lot of the problems the country is facing. Having said that I shall be voting tactically as I dread waking up to find this country has got the most right wing government in living memory led by a bumbling idiot of a man child....

WeekendVisit Sat 23-Nov-19 06:50:59

Liar followed by liar.

Appalling husbands in charge of the country, no thanks.

The women are authoritarian, JS is the opposite of a liberal democrat.

Tooting29 Sat 23-Nov-19 07:03:53

I thought JS had a very sticky ride and it obvious the LDs are still going to struggle from the coalition period. BJ came with his own agenda and deflected those questions ie Russia and how hard would it have been to say sorry for language he has used. JC did well but came a bit unstuck in places. JC does righteous protest well but sometimes his delivery can feel a bit like a stressed dalek. The Scottish question is difficult and I can understand how NS feels when she says that Scotland should determine their own future after all isn't that why we voted to leave Europe?

Has it helped me make up my mind but a jot. I less than impressed with the arrogant white posh men in the Conservative party. The duplicitous Twitter account really stuck in my craw as a sad indictment of the state of politics. JS who might of got my vote I think is punching above her weight. JC and LP manifesto I have some concerns about but it is ambitious But do I want JC as PM not sure he can carry it on a world stage but I am warming to him and I never thought I would say that. That leaves me with Greens and independent in my constituency so it could be one or tother

growstuff Sat 23-Nov-19 07:06:23

Do you have any constructive comment WeekendVisit?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 23-Nov-19 07:37:09

Johnson bluffed And blustered as usual and again as usual lied on a number of occasions.

He lied when he said the Russian report wasn’t ready to publish.
Dominic Grieve has said that the report was ready in early October.
Johnson trotted out the lie about hospitals, and when challenged simply stuck to his lie. Odd.
Said he kept all his promises he made as major of London. The list of broken promises are too long to put here.
Johnson refused to apologise for his racist and bigoted remarks

He has a real issue with trust and stands at 18% of the population who trust him.
It is becoming clearer each time he takes part in these debates that he treats politics as a game with his ambition taking precedent over everything.

I’m not sure that would constitute Prime minister material.

I suspect that like Mogg he would prefer to lie low from now on, difficult if you are running for PM though.

Urmstongran Sat 23-Nov-19 07:39:28

Someone said on tv that JC is better at being a protester than a prime minister in waiting.

Agree about the ‘stressed Dalek’ delivery. He has a thin skin and looks quite rattled when the audience laughed at him.

I wouldn’t like him to be on the world stage with other leaders as our representative.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 23-Nov-19 07:45:38

Extraordinary!!

Tory HQ complaining that the audience was too knowledgable.

It shows that they actually take the voters for fools and are surprised when a group of people with very few “plants” are allowed their democratic right to question the political candidates.

Peonyrose Sat 23-Nov-19 07:50:59

They all say what gets them votes. I just look at their policies and decide. I would rather Sooty run the country than red JC. Because either way we would be finished.

growstuff Sat 23-Nov-19 07:53:20

Why?