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Fed up with being promised the moon on a stick!

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phoenix Sun 24-Nov-19 18:15:57

And "jam tomorrow".

Yes, I'm one of those women who's pension age got moved, but Corbyns promise of "compensation" just sounds like the usual vote seeking promise.

Mr Johnson is no better.

Sick of all of them, feel a spoiled ballot paper coming on..........

Pantglas2 Sun 24-Nov-19 22:35:15

MaizieD is right - Cameron was an idiot to follow through with that promise and leave this mess to his successors. That makes Corbyn even more of an idiot for offering to do it all over again!

It’s Johnson or Swindon for a clean break folks.

crystaltipps Mon 25-Nov-19 07:37:57

“Get Brexit Done” is the most stupid childish election slogan as anyone who has half a brain knows it means 10+ more years of tortuous negotiations and nothing else will get done as we slide into recession and that will be the get out of jail free card - it’s not our fault etc we did what you said. As for those who claim Labour will ruin the economy - It’s already being ruined - it’s happening now folks! I can’t believe anyone who cares more about bloody Brexshit than millions of children in poverty, rough sleepers dying, the NHS crumbling, professional people leaving in their droves. I’m alright jackery is breathtaking. You can tell the Tory voters by the don’t care attitude - god help anyone who has the misfortune to fall on hard times - it’s all your fault for not working hard enough like me - Corbyn is so terrible with all his promises of decent public services the better off might have to pay a bit more tax on their buy to let properties - they get their money from people poorer than them. And no I’m not a Labour supporter, before I get a load of insults on that front.

yggdrasil Mon 25-Nov-19 09:10:23

lemongrove: Corbyn is actually offering the universe on a stick

But all fully costed, except for the WASPI pensions. To be paid for by the rich people, and a raise of corporation tax.
Even if only half of it gets done in the first Labour parliament, it will improve life for ordinary people immeasurably

MaizieD Mon 25-Nov-19 09:17:41

Sadly, yggdrasil, there's a certain section of the electorate that has no particular wish to improve life for ordinary people.

lemongrove Mon 25-Nov-19 09:33:54

......to be paid for ‘by the rich people’ !
Untold billions? Can’t be done......and hopefully won’t be done.Far from improving lives for ordinary people it would ruin the lives of ordinary people in the end.
If they had come up with a realistic manifesto with a few good and doable things they had a chance of being taken seriously, but as it is.....

Oopsminty Mon 25-Nov-19 09:36:38

Well I am very concerned about the lives and pensions of the tens of thousands of utility staff.

These are hard working people, not earning a fortune.

People are brushing over the re-nationalisation as if it's a simple procedure.

Is Corbyn going to pay the going rate? I doubt it.

I don't know enough about it but if, god forbid, Corbyn gets in there will be utter chaos.

Brexit will look like a walk in the park

Urmstongran Mon 25-Nov-19 11:12:09

Get Brexit Done isn’t stupid. It means we will uncouple from the EU. It sends a strong message once the WA is passed.

Yes, of course we realise there will be years of trade talks and everything will be up for negotiation.

But I can relax about it all at that stage as those in power will be getting well paid to sort it all out. Be nice to hardly talk about it by then!

crystaltipps Mon 25-Nov-19 11:13:21

We’ve had utter chaos for the last 4 years so all those predicting utter chaos under Corbyn maybe take a reality check.

crystaltipps Mon 25-Nov-19 11:13:58

I think people will still be talking about it ......

Chardy Mon 25-Nov-19 11:14:49

Johnson renages on his word to support 50s women and offers nothing. Corbyn puts aside £58bn over 5 years to help 50s women. And they are perceived as being as bad as each other!

Cambia Mon 25-Nov-19 11:16:51

Don’t waste a vote that women fought hard for. If you don’t vote, you cannot moan about what happens in the future. I really don’t want my country in the state it was in in the seventies, so will not be voting for Corbyn but you should use your vote for who you think will do least damage if nothing else!

notreallyagran Mon 25-Nov-19 11:18:33

Well said, Crystaltips, I totally agree. And I'm not a Labour voter either.

AdeleJay Mon 25-Nov-19 11:19:25

It’s all so depressing. I haven’t a clue about what can be done to sort Brexit (and no it won’t be directed anytime soon). I think all the party leaders are simply beyond the pale too. Truth apparently is so 20th century. angry

AdeleJay Mon 25-Nov-19 11:19:53

Sorry not directed, sorted

humptydumpty Mon 25-Nov-19 11:21:49

I think personallyu that most people are not expecting any of the parties to deliver on all their manifesto promises, so for me, it's the intent behind them that matters, and I believe Labout aspires to make society more of a level playing field, and I applaud that.

grandtanteJE65 Mon 25-Nov-19 11:26:15

There's little choice in rotten apples!

But please, do vote for someone, otherwise whoever wins the election can feel chuffed. If you vote for some other candidate it is one vote less for the others.

deanswaydolly Mon 25-Nov-19 11:35:10

I have checked and would receive a total of just over 9k....

optimist Mon 25-Nov-19 11:38:53

Life is strange. I have just been listening to the wonderful Grace Dent programme about a woman of 70 who is desperate to carry on working in a challenging job. Family commitments are making this difficult. I loved my (teaching) job and was made redundant at 72 (not an age related decision) and really did not want to go.

Margs Mon 25-Nov-19 11:39:10

If men had been shafted like the WASPI Women then the senior politicians responsible (Osborne, Cameron, Duncan-Smith and the like) would have been lynched from lamp posts just like Mussolini.

sandelf Mon 25-Nov-19 12:12:20

I think they are all desperate for our votes and just saying anything - very little of it will get done whoever we get. What a mess.

kazziecookie Mon 25-Nov-19 12:14:36

I am a 1950s women in the process of selling my guest house (at a massive loss) so I can retire, as I am physically and mentally exhausted and I have 3 more years until I get any pension.
I have already voted Labour (postal) before the details of the compensation for 1950s women came out, as I want a socialist government (fed up of seeing the suffering caused by this current party).
The offer is not great but nobody else is offering anything. I have been demonstrating and fighting for over 3 years for our cause.

Tigertooth Mon 25-Nov-19 12:20:37

* Not everyone is fit enough beyond 60 and Lord knows, the pension is little enough to manage on but at least it's a gateway to other benefits and better than the worry of further years struggling on. It's criminal I think*
As women expecting to be able to access all employment and rights equally with men, it is only fair that we work as long too, in fact perhaps women should work longer as we have greater life expectancy!
As for this generation - the changes of 60 to 65 were made in the 90’s!
Surely a 30 year warning is enough to prepare?

Tigertooth Mon 25-Nov-19 12:21:19

Not everyone is fit enough beyond 60 and Lord knows, the pension is little enough to manage on but at least it's a gateway to other benefits and better than the worry of further years struggling on. It's criminal I think
As women expecting to be able to access all employment and rights equally with men, it is only fair that we work as long too, in fact perhaps women should work longer as we have greater life expectancy!
As for this generation - the changes of 60 to 65 were made in the 90’s!
Surely a 30 year warning is enough to prepare?

Mindy5 Mon 25-Nov-19 12:23:59

I agree with you Phoenix, it is a vote seeking promise. I doubt it will happen though.

My pension was set back twice, like many others. I was widowed at 55 and disabled but had to work until 64 and a half before getting my pension. We were all robbed of our money and should be compensated.

I feel very bitter about it but I still wouldn't believe Corbyn or vote for his Party.

Jaycee5 Mon 25-Nov-19 12:27:57

There is no obligation on a Returning Officer to read out the number of spoiled ballots and no one knows how many are deliberately spoilt or just wrongly completed.
Given the state the country is in, there is really nothing clever about not trying to improve things for those most affected. I don't understand why people can't at least look closely at their local candidates and judge them on their records and their policies.
At least the manifestos show what their beliefs are and what they will try to do.