Andrew Neil’s interview with Johnson

... and mocking those who criticise his son and called him Pinnochio - basically saying anyone who does not belive his son's blatant lies are 'uneducated and a bit th*ck.

but where is Mogg?

I truly despair for this country.

Listening to a phone in on the Jeremy Vine show this morning, about the non-appearance of Johnson.

One caller from Newcastle didn't give a fig about how, or if Scotland would be worse off, and another from Oxfordshire displayed so much arrogance and contempt for working classes, and equally dismissed the people of Scotland.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that we deserve Johnson and the Tories as our "glorious leaders" - they clearly are much better, and more worthy than us.

With due deference, it will be marvellous if we all suffer so long as those 'johnny foreigners' can be looked down on, and avoided!! Bring back the empire, we'll show them a thing or two - and in Latin.

Most of the Conservative comments I've heard owe more to Monty Python and Dad's Army than any serious political discourse or debate.

Aaaarrrghhh!

The ERG are keeping quiet during election time. However, as leader of the house he should be seen and heard sometimes, shouldn't he. I think they're keeping Mark Francois under wraps, too.

Seriously Nicole0134 are you not scared by Johnson, Priti Patel, Michael Gove, Sajid Javid, Gavin Williamson, Dominc Raab (he needs a satnav), or Stephen Barclay???

railman; I've actually decided that, if this country gives Johnson an overwhelming majority then I'm just going to hunker [sp] down; read books, do my garden etc and let the country sort itself out. Because, imo, the very people I'm worrying about are the ones that actually want what's happening now. Hopefully my family won't be too affected by it.

I'm afraid that I very much agree with Richard Murphy's comment on his blog this morning:

And this is far from the only issue on which Johnson’s behaviour is alien. His refusal to play this election by the normal rules of decency, fair play, mutual self-respect and integrity confirm that Johnson really is a man willing to cheat, lie and sabotage his way to power at any cost. We have not seen a politician so brazen before. I hope we do not again.

Implicit in all this is one thing. It is Johnson’s ego. What this election is about is whether or not people are foolish enough to believe that a man who has already proved himself so untrustworthy should run the country.

But this time, after the event it will be possible to say that those who voted for him are worthy of our contempt. They knew they were voting for a contemptible person, who is indifferent to them, their families, their futures and that of this planet. Brexit created a shibboleth in our society. This election is confirming it. And on one side there are people who lack all self respect and decency. You could not vote for Johnson otherwise. I hate to say it, but the divide is now as blunt as that. And it needs to be said

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/11/29/boris-johnson-has-created-a-shibboleth-no-one-with-any-self-respect-could-vote-for-him/

Labaik - I have found myself thinking that too, and I hope you and your family are not too badly affected if Johnson gets in.

I also think MaizieD's post about Richard Murphy's comments are pretty much spot on too. So sad, but Johnson's behaviour is contemptible - but is this just the death throws of empire too I wonder.

Is anyone else wondering if it is a deliberate ploy to put people off politics? I met someone yesterday who said he wouldn't vote because it makes no difference. All these shenanigans may well put a lot off voting.

Maizie- thank you so much for that Murphy's article - I shall copy it and share it- but more importantly, this is exactly how I feel now. And I have to say, I am more gratefull than ever that we are a family of mongrels- as my loved ones will have the choice to leave. So so sad.

MaizieD
His refusal to play this election by the normal rules of decency, fair play, mutual self-respect and integrity

What are these?

The ones that you lot don't believe in, Joelsnan

oooopppssss boom boom (sorry, just could not help it)...

MaizieD
What is my lot?
You have no idea. One thing is for sure I am not a Sheeple like some on here.

I know journalists go in for hyperbole and hysteria but really!
What a load of bollocks fromRichard Murphy.
Especially when the despicable Corbyn has been trying to scare the population with his message of having to pay for your own cancer treatment etc as if it was a done deal that the NHS would be entirely privatised under a Conservative government.Of course it won’t be, it would be curtains for them ever getting back into power if that was allowed to happen.Sheer scaremongering in the worst possible way, very dirty tactics indeed.

Oh but I am quite sure you know.

Let's imagine that the Tories win this election, and as widely predicted by many experts, things go, as my OH would crudely put it, 'tits up' after the election and Brexit, I think it's fair to say that will be curtains for them getting back in power for a very long time, when the masses finally realise that they have been played for fools!

Unfortunately the damage will already have been done, and there will be no quick fix.

Yes- and I shall post it again

''But this time, after the event it will be possible to say that those who voted for him are worthy of our contempt. They knew they were voting for a contemptible person, who is indifferent to them, their families, their futures and that of this planet. Brexit created a shibboleth in our society. This election is confirming it. And on one side there are people who lack all self respect and decency. You could not vote for Johnson otherwise. ''

At this stage, nothing would surprise me anymore.

So, the BBC have banned Johnson from appearing on Andrew Marr, as long as he refuses to do Andrew Neil interview.

At first, I thought 'good, and fair'... but now, cynical, me...

could it be all a ploy in cahoots as he does not want to do either - frit and in full knowledge that he does not understand the issues at stake and has no answers, and that so many of his promises are just lies and nonsense. Or is it just me ?

Lemongrove, Robert Peston has a word for the knee-jerk response of criticising an opponent, rather than addressing the criticisms which have been levelled at the person under discussion. It is 'whataboutery' and is a feeble strategy for avoiding uncomfortable truths.

Especially when the despicable Corbyn has been trying to scare the population with his message of having to pay for your own cancer treatment etc as if it was a done deal that the NHS would be entirely privatised under a Conservative government.

I can see no reason for calling Corbyn despicable.

If the NHS was entirely privatised you would have to pay for the services you receive. If you could afford it you could insure yourself. If you couldn't, like the USA, many private bankruptcies would start to happen in this country.

That would not make Corbyn despicable. It would make the person who brought in such a system, despicable. The only person discussing this with the USA is Mr Johnson.

Are you another who wants this and wants to destroy the NHS? I really find it hard to work out what you are objecting to otherwise. It appears to be your entrenched dislike of one man because ... well, it appears to be because he is NOT trying to privatise and destroy our NHS and he has revealed the talks under Johnson.

It's very difficult to find any sort of logic in your post I'm afraid.

The destruction of the NHS is perfectly easy and it has already begun. You effectively reduce funding and run down the service until it is regarded as unfit for use. You blame this on all sorts of other factors which are nothing to do with you, things like staff shortages. Then as waiting lists lengthen, hospitals fail to cope and GP lists are full you produce the solution- privatisation! And before you know it the NHS is an institution which provides the poorest with inadequate care and the rest pay. You don't become unelectable, the people who vote for your party aren't the poor.

GracesGranMk3
You are being taken in by the scaremongering re the NHS.
Though NHS services have been privatised already, this as a result of the enactment of the 2012 Health and Social care act. This act was passed through by all political persuasions in parliament and has resulted in the situation we now have. Although it is mentioned in the LP manifesto there is no real commitment to repeal it.
Matt Hancock has made a pledge to roll back the outsourcing of patient care and some procurement policies, but again no commitment to repeal this act.
The US do not want the NHS, they have not bought into the patient services outsourcing in a big way (not like Virgin care) and are selling Pharma to NHS at lower prices than in US. So rather than worry about US, we should all be lobbying for a firm commitment from all party's to revoke this act. Because without this repeal the door is still open, not necessarily to the US, but to any other ‘for profit’ service provider.

The US does not want the expensive and costly 'bad' parts of the NHS - for sure. They are only interested in the huge profit making parts - same as in Private health currently in the UK.

Jura2
What are the huge profit making parts?