Boris and Truth - a close relationship?

Gonegirl - have come to see this thread late in the day but why doesn't it matter if Johnson lies?

I have been around long enough to know that manifestos are just a fantasy wishlist but if we have to decide who to vote for, how do we know what they'll really do and how can we decide if we are told a pack of lies?

Whoever gets elected has to get on with the job.

Too knackered to answer.

Soz. x

I guess that's as well-reasoned an answer as we can expect from you, Gonegirl.

Course it is. ?

I'll answer you Ramblingrose22

if we have to decide who to vote for, how do we know what they'll really do and how can we decide if we are told a pack of lies?

Judging on past performance by anyone in power at any given time - we don't

When Johnson has been interviewed recently he ignores the fact that the Tories have been in power for nearly 10 years but refers to "his" government" which has only been in power for 120 days.

A focus group on Channel 4 this pm believe in his statements. They think he will get things done and they ignore the 10 years of austerity,

A You Tuber called Paul who makes a video every day using the pseudonym " A Different Bias" said that if he had been in a coma for the last 10 years and had woken today, listening to the way Johnson talks he would assume that we have had a Labour Government in power for those 10 years and that Johnson's government is completely new.

Which of course it is, with the appalling front bench that he now has.

Gonegirl, how on earth can it be ok for Boris to lie as long he gets the job done. Unbelievable. But then again good old Boris doesn't know he is lying as he wouldn't recognise a lie if it hit him in the face

Dinahmo; I couldn't believe what I was seeing/hearing on Ch4 tonight. Even the guy that said his prediction for 6 months time was 'trade talks with America still ongoing/Boris has affair' then went on to say [I believe] that he was voting for him. Conservative voters that I know are voting LibDem because they're appalled by what their party has become, and yet traditional Labour voters seem to think the Conservatives speak for them. It's politics gone mad....

….'There just seems to be more actual intelligence knocking around amongst the tories'.....can't believe I've just read this either. Am I living in a parallel universe or something...most of the intelligent, decent Tories have left....?

What the hell are we teaching our children and grandchildren if we are accepting that politicians can lie. Lies are not acceptable ever.

He knows he's lying and so do his henchmen, he just doesn't care. You can see it in his eyes when he's lying and when he's totally clueless about how to answer a question, he goes on auto, 'Get Brexit done'...'I've only been in power for 120 days...blah, blah', same old, same old.

We were led to believe that he is some sort of super brain. Highly intelligent they said. Well someone said anyway. He hasn't shown the slightest sign of being highly intelligent.

Would a truly intelligent person make such appalling speeches or repeat set answers repeatedly, and worst of all, shy away from significant climate debates and BBC interviews? Apparently he was at a farm shop in Devon and couldn't make it to the climate debate.

For all his bluster, he is an incompetent campaigner. Some of the original contenders for the job as leader must be smarting when he's put on the spot with questions he doesn't like, and simply refuses to engage. He is the master of crass remarks and blatant lies.

Harry Archie - ex para trooper - #JC4PM
@Dianne4leader

For 46 years I voted conservative.

Never again.

I fought for this country, I didn't fight for foodbanks, homelessness, poverty and for a Tory party to think they are born to rule.

For the first time ever I will vote Labour purely because of
@jeremycorbyn
and his manifesto

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

grany good for you!

Granny23 The lady from Devon made me cry, but BJ won't see that. It's shameful.

Many of our age group feel the same.

David Cheshire
@cybercheshired

I'm 71 and I've never known an election where the Tory party have lied so wilfully or outrageously as a matter of course. Not Douglas Hume, not Heath, not Thatcher, not even Haig or IDS or Howard or Cameron or May. Something has come badly unravelled. Johnson is a major polluter

"most of the intelligent, decent Tories have left....?"

Perhaps that's what gives some people the idea that the Tory party is now different and speaks for them.
Maybe it actually does speak for them, if they are not very bright.

I will never forgive the Tory party for dropping this pile of excrement upon us.

Possibly the biggest lie of all:

'The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.' and other 'horlicks'.

I feel sickened by his response to the London Bridge attack - having read these:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/boris-johnson-denounced-for-politicising-london-bridge-attack

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-warned-london-bridge-attack-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

hetty yes I saw it this morning.

I weep for what this country is becoming.

Just one lie from BJ's interview with Andrew Marr :

Mr Johnson said his government was already considering ending the policy of automatic early release for serious and violent offenders – but the ‘Sentencing Bill’ in the Queen’s Speech would have only changed the automatic release point from halfway to two-thirds of the way through a sentence. Offenders considered “dangerous” are already not considered for release until they have served two-thirds of their sentences.

(Fact-checked by the BBC)

voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/12/03/boris-johnson-is-a-liar-according-to-the-bbc-after-it-fact-checked-his-interview/

By all standards of common decency and precedent in politics, Boris Johnson is an outrageous and deeply worrying disgrace. I cannot believe that so many people are willing to turn a blind eye to it. No other politician in my lifetime, of any hue, has lied on the industrial scale we have seen in BJ.

The man has no interest in the truth. That is what is unforgivable.

Also worrying is that, with regard to his much-vaunted Brexit deal (which of course is worse than May's), he doesn't actually know what the truth is because he is too idle to do his homework on what his negotiators have actually agreed to on his behalf. Consequently he keeps putting his foot in on the details of the implications of the deal for trade with Europe.

Another whopper on the side of a bus -

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/burger-king-whopper-bus-appears-3608981

Not sure if this link will work but if it does then watch the video where Philip Schofield skewers Boris on the US and our NHS Boris called out by Philip Schofield

The link does work - I am staggered by the amount of privatisation that has already happened - well done Philip (ITV) for pointing this out. Voters really do need to think carefully why they are voting for a particular party, this election is not just about Brexit, so much more is at stake.