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Boris and Truth - a close relationship?

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FarNorth Wed 27-Nov-19 12:22:30

“20,000 more police are operating on our streets to fight crime and bring crime down”
Boris Johnson in a speech in Oldham, live on Sky News
15 November 2019

Claim

The prime minister has regularly claimed that one of his government’s plans is to recruit 20,000 additional police officers. In this instance, he said that 20,000 more police “are operating” on our streets, suggesting that his government had already achieved this goal.

Facts

Recruitment will take place over three years and do no more than replace the drop in officer numbers seen since the Conservatives came to power in 2010.

Verdict

Johnson lied. It is a realistic possibility that the Conservatives will recruit an additional 20,000 police officers, but it will take several years and will only cover cuts they have already made.

Yehbutnobut Sat 07-Dec-19 06:15:22

Trump & Boris two peas in a pod

GracesGranMK3 Fri 06-Dec-19 21:53:11

Just watching him Johnson is a Trump mini-me. How are we going to feel the sniggers behind backs are about him.

Everyone knows he lies, misleading the UK voters and the 'good people' who hoped it would change have abandoned him.

EllanVannin Fri 06-Dec-19 20:14:01

BJ is definitely a closet Remainer and he's only chosen Brexit because he knows it'll keep him in power. Another megalomaniac like Trump and both as mad as a box of frogs.

Politics have finished in this country. They're nothing but a bunch of shysters and traitors.

Gonegirl Fri 06-Dec-19 20:01:30

There was someone on here quite ready to "politicise" the London Bridge attack. hmm

Ilovecheese Fri 06-Dec-19 19:23:51

Now Chris Patten saying that if Boris Johnson is telling the truth it is probably by accident.
This is a very strange election campaign.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 06-Dec-19 18:11:13

A senior British diplomat in the US has quit with a blast at the UK government over Brexit, saying she could no longer "peddle half-truths" on behalf of political leaders she did not "trust."

In a searing resignation letter delivered just over a week before the UK general election, Alexandra Hall Hall, the lead envoy for Brexit in the British Embassy in Washington, said that she had become increasingly dismayed by the demands placed on the British civil service to deliver messages on Brexit which were not "fully honest."

The reluctance of Britain's leaders to play straight with the public on Brexit, Hall Hall said, had undermined the credibility of UK diplomats abroad. Her position had become "unbearable personally" and "untenable professionally," she wrote in the letter, which has been obtained by CNN.

...

"I have been increasingly dismayed by the way in which our political leaders have tried to deliver Brexit, with reluctance to address honestly, even with our own citizens, the challenges and trade-offs which Brexit involves; the use of misleading or disingenuous arguments about the implications of the various options before us; and some behaviour towards our institutions, which, were it happening in another country, we would almost certainly as diplomats have received instructions to register our concern," she wrote in her letter, dated December 3.

"It makes our job to promote democracy and the rule of law that much harder, if we are not seen to be upholding these core values at home."

Full article: edition.cnn.com/2019/12/06/uk/top-british-diplomat-quits-brexit-intl/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2_hHwlchK28oJ42MNfu2QNXhPR4XoEyqEvNX4KtTrM8Nd62GNRduZFJws

Labaik Fri 06-Dec-19 18:04:17

But unless it's put on the front page of the Sun no one will pay any attention to it..sad...

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Dec-19 17:52:31

It is really grim.

Curlywhirly Fri 06-Dec-19 17:33:08

Blimey, talk about the plot thickening - what on earth has happened to our Goverment?Morals seem to have gone out the window. We are like a banana republic ?

GracesGranMK3 Fri 06-Dec-19 17:32:54

I just don't know how anyone would vote for this man. He has shafted Ireland, his wives, partners, girlfriends and his children and employers. Why does anyone think he will not do exactly the same to any group of us if it suits his purpose.

Labaik Fri 06-Dec-19 16:41:34

The lead Brexit envoy in the UK's embassy in Washington has resigned, saying she can no longer "peddle half-truths" on behalf of political leaders she does not trust.
Alexandra Hall Hall sent a resignation letter earlier this week, warning that there were increasing demands being placed on civil servants not to be "fully honest" with the public.

It comes as leaked internal documents show there will be customs checks and controls between Great Britain and Northern Ireland, despite claims by Boris Johnson that there would not be.

The Government has also been forced to issue a series of denials that aspects relating to the NHS would be on the table in US trade talks despite some evidence that meetings are already taking place.

A spokesperson for the Foreign Office confirmed the news, first reported by CNN, and said: “We won’t comment on the detail of an individual’s resignation.”
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Brexit to drag on as EU drops commitment to get trade deal done fast
In her resignation letter Ms Hall Hall said the Government's approach had undermined the British diplomats' position abroad and that for her the situation had become "unbearable personally" and "untenable professionally".

"I have been increasingly dismayed by the way in which our political leaders have tried to deliver Brexit, with reluctance to address honestly, even with our own citizens, the challenges and trade-offs which Brexit involves; the use of misleading or disingenuous arguments about the implications of the various options before us; and some behaviour towards our institutions, which, were it happening in another country, we would almost certainly as diplomats have received instructions to register our concern," she wrote in her letter, dated December 3.
"It makes our job to promote democracy and the rule of law that much harder, if we are not seen to be upholding these core values at home."

"I am also at a stage in life where I would prefer to do something more rewarding with my time, than peddle half-truths on behalf of a government I do not trust," she wrote in the letter.
More follows...
..from the Independent....

Grany Fri 06-Dec-19 12:20:03

@FromSteveHowell
Tories found faking a third website.

This time in the name of Labour veteran Margaret Beckett, who says it's worrying how low the Tories will stoop to win.

A party that lies so readily is not fit to govern.

twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1202813758923530241?s=20

GrannyGravy13 Fri 06-Dec-19 12:09:30

Channel 4 have had to put out an apology on Twitter - it subtitled Boris Johnsons speech incorrectly putting "people of colour" when in fact Boris Johnson said "people of talent".

Deliberate, I am not sure?

Charleygirl5 Fri 06-Dec-19 10:23:05

There is a very good chance that Boris will not be re-elected for Uxbridge and South Ruislip because many of his constituents are fed up with him. He has rarely visited so that has not gone down well. His majority was just over 5000, the lowest for any PM.

trisher Fri 06-Dec-19 10:01:32

Gonegirl you do realise that nobody is going to "get Brexit done" in any sort of reasonable way or time scale? That it will takes years more to work out the trade deals and negotiations and that in the end we may finish crashing out with no deal. It's just another of Johnson's lies.

Yehbutnobut Fri 06-Dec-19 09:53:43

Curly he’s refused to face Andrew Neil and Julie Etchingham, coward that he is. Bu he must have thought Philip Schofield would be a soft touch.

What a bumbling idiot.

Curlywhirly Fri 06-Dec-19 09:05:03

The link does work - I am staggered by the amount of privatisation that has already happened - well done Philip (ITV) for pointing this out. Voters really do need to think carefully why they are voting for a particular party, this election is not just about Brexit, so much more is at stake.

Yehbutnobut Fri 06-Dec-19 07:58:53

Not sure if this link will work but if it does then watch the video where Philip Schofield skewers Boris on the US and our NHS Boris called out by Philip Schofield

FarNorth Thu 05-Dec-19 16:28:50

Another whopper on the side of a bus -

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/burger-king-whopper-bus-appears-3608981

GranE Tue 03-Dec-19 09:42:18

By all standards of common decency and precedent in politics, Boris Johnson is an outrageous and deeply worrying disgrace. I cannot believe that so many people are willing to turn a blind eye to it. No other politician in my lifetime, of any hue, has lied on the industrial scale we have seen in BJ.

The man has no interest in the truth. That is what is unforgivable.

Also worrying is that, with regard to his much-vaunted Brexit deal (which of course is worse than May's), he doesn't actually know what the truth is because he is too idle to do his homework on what his negotiators have actually agreed to on his behalf. Consequently he keeps putting his foot in on the details of the implications of the deal for trade with Europe.

FarNorth Tue 03-Dec-19 08:38:12

Just one lie from BJ's interview with Andrew Marr :

Mr Johnson said his government was already considering ending the policy of automatic early release for serious and violent offenders – but the ‘Sentencing Bill’ in the Queen’s Speech would have only changed the automatic release point from halfway to two-thirds of the way through a sentence. Offenders considered “dangerous” are already not considered for release until they have served two-thirds of their sentences.

(Fact-checked by the BBC)

voxpoliticalonline.com/2019/12/03/boris-johnson-is-a-liar-according-to-the-bbc-after-it-fact-checked-his-interview/

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Dec-19 08:31:39

hetty yes I saw it this morning.

I weep for what this country is becoming.

Hetty58 Tue 03-Dec-19 08:20:31

I feel sickened by his response to the London Bridge attack - having read these:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/boris-johnson-denounced-for-politicising-london-bridge-attack

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-warned-london-bridge-attack-usman-khan-stabbing-terrorist-a9227681.html

Ginny42 Tue 03-Dec-19 08:18:19

I will never forgive the Tory party for dropping this pile of excrement upon us.

Possibly the biggest lie of all:

'The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.' and other 'horlicks'.

FarNorth Tue 03-Dec-19 08:11:59

"most of the intelligent, decent Tories have left....?"

Perhaps that's what gives some people the idea that the Tory party is now different and speaks for them.
Maybe it actually does speak for them, if they are not very bright.