Corbyn to borrow £58 billion to repay WASPI woman.

Nobody is saying we will all get a £40k cheque, though.

As has been pointed out, and as was said at the start, any money will be paid after tax, and over 5 years. In my case, for what that's worth, I would get about £7200, which works out at 1440 a year, or £120 a month before tax. So I'd probably get around £25 a week until my pension age of 66.

Nowhere near what I have lost, but a gesture and a step in the right direction. I will not fear bankruptcy for the country, as I have seen the Tories squander enough money on Brexit, the DUP, and all manner of other things to put a few quid being paid to women who have contributed NI for decades into the shade.

As for those who think it should go to those 'in need'. Who decides that? Would you pay funeral plan payouts or life insurance only to those who 'needed' them? Whether you (generic) feel that someone 'needs' the money is irrelevant. We all had NI deducted proportionate to our salaries, and we all paid it under the impression that this would pay our State Pension at 60. We planned accordingly - what else could we do? Women with no money will still get their benefits under this scheme - nobody is suggesting otherwise.

If we start means-testing everything there will be no point in anyone saving or providing for themselves, as we will all know that doing so will mean that we will be penalised in our old age.

Tillybelle I couldn’t have put it better myself myself.

Ladies dont be fooles
Corbin will say anything to get elected
There is no way we will all get a £40,000 cheque
And you know it
He will bankrupt the country

There is a whole generation who hasn't worked??

Who are they? Unless you mean the idle rich, I have no idea how a whole generation can survive on Universal Credit. People get sanctioned if they are 5 minutes late for an interview, have to take jobs miles from home, and often need three jobs to survive.

It is just not true that 'a whole generation' has not worked, and very unfair to say so.

The reality of it is really, they don’t have the money in the pot to pay us. I was born in 1956 and worked from 16 until 60, I’ll health prompted me to retire.
There is a whole generation that hasn’t worked, many have gone to university and struggle to find graduate jobs, plus what happened in the 1980’s? Lots of industry closed down and people lost their jobs. No money in the pot for our pensions.

My son and daughter lived in London during the riots and were terrified so much they had to find another home outside London even though they work in London. They were appalled and still are by BJ, the Mayor of London's response; who by the way had been on holiday at the time. We have been lied to by the Tory party for the last ten years and yet it continues. They promise nothing but Brexit. The NHS and other public services are on their knees, yet he does nothing. My younger son and wife, have lived in a London bedsit for 10 years despite having good jobs as teachers =, they will have to leave their home and jobs because they can't provide for their new baby. The only rich people in the South are the investors who buy up property making housing impossible for ordinary people including teachers, nurses and other service workers.
Being a WASPI only highlights the injustice of the Tory government's policy across the spectrum, We are all effected in one way or another and yet they do nothing. I do not expect any money back from anyone and it certainly will not influence my vote.

The promise of 'Get Brexit done' no matter how it will effect the country does make my vote of who Not to vote for even more real. The Tory elite put money into the pockets of the rich including the media and America who will be the biggest benefactor.
Asks yourself if the Tory MPs believe in Brexit Why oh Why have the cabinet and other leading members of the Tory party, bankers and top industrialists withdrawn their money and businesses to off shore accounts or to Ireland? Don't believe it then check it out but Not in the Tory bias newspapers.

As for the comments about JC and paying for everything with no money. How many times has this happened, every time we have had a Tory government, not just the poorest members of this country suffer but the ordinary hard working men and women, families in fact, everyone pays the price. Here we go again the Labour has to defend itself time and time again to help the common man and women against the very rich few who don't care.
We WASPI are now made the escape goat for Tory crimes.
So look very closely as to where our money has really gone, Why has Jacob Regis Mogg put his money into Ireland? Why has Dyson moved his business to Singapore?
Where or who pays BJ to get us out of Europe?
Why has Nigel Farage got duel Germany citizenship for his children? and so the questions keep coming but no answers Yet no one in the media are questioning this. Again it is up to you to , its not too late to start wanting real answers. Stop criticising those parties who are trying to right a wrong, start asking questions of the Tory party 'Why' has this happened and what are we going to stop it before its too late.

Firstly, can I say that I'm not a huge Corbyn fan, but I'm even less of a Johnson fan. We don't know what a Labour Government is capable of delivering, but I do know that we've had 9 years of austerity under the conservatives and the only thing that we've got more of, are food banks and homeless people, yet all of a sudden they're promising us the world. All parties will make false promises -they always have done! the only thing we can be sure of is if Johnson gets in, us women can kiss goodbye to our money and the next few years will be the same as the last 9. Perhaps I'm lucky living in Wales, to have the option of voting Plaid Cymru, but who knows what such a small party can deliver.

freyja*The Tory government stole this money. BJ tells people what they want to hear, he lies all the time and what is even more laughable is that people know he's a lier but they think he is wonderful* YES!
See what people who know him say! Sir Max Hastings for example - I quoted him above.
It's such a relief to read something from someone who writes facts! I know Corbin isn't attractive, not a film star, not sexy. I know some people can't take to him. However it's not a beauty contest or even a charm school leavers' show.

I wish people would judge people on their actual working merits. And by that, make sure you are not misled by lies in the newspapers and on BBC. If you are critical make sure you know what you are talking about - get your facts right. This "comrade Corbin" stuff is such a mindless cliché, followed by more mindless cliché about running a bath... you can feel the people who write this kind of tosh puffing up with superior pride and feeling oh-so clever. But it's clichés! Empty rubbish. If only people would stick with facts!
About WASPI, it's true, the extension before getting their pension often applied to women who had lower paid jobs or work that might not have been that enjoyable but more of a necessity. To be hit by this extension of it is more of a blow. It rubs me up the wrong way when people from very comfortable incomes write very self-satisfied letters about how they planned, and how they got another pension too and maybe how their husband gets an even higher state pension... It does not help people who need their pension for heating and food and who are longing to retire! Some of the jobs are exhausting. Like being a Carer. Back-breaking, emotionally and mentally exhausting and just very tiring. Plus very poor pay. Those people really deserve to retire at 60, male and female.
I'll just wish all the WASPIs lots of luck and do hope this is good news for you. I do know that J Corbin et al. don't say things 'just for votes'. They mean it. You have paid in; it is your money. I hope you all have a very happy retirement - as soon as you want it!

What Tillybelle says.

Annecan

He is dishonest and incompetent.

Please show your evidence for this.

growstuff I sympathise!

Dinahmo. I want to Hug you!!

Thank God for someone decent and honest and level-headed.

I cannot understand people who allow themselves to get inflamed by the aggressive bullying, anti Labour slant of Andrew Neil and who believe what they read in the Express! If you listen you will hear Corbin's calm answer. I was impressed by his polite and cool bearing during this onslaught which did not allow him speak and which couched everything in a way that, were he to give the answer Neil was forcing him to say, it would also have forced him to accept a premise that was a lie.

The BBC is heavily biased to Johnson as is most of the British Press, which is owned by Tory-donating billionaires.

If these people here believe the lies and deliberate misrepresentations of Corbin and Labour which they read in such papers as the Express, I suppose they will even believe that Johnson is totally truthful!

Here are some views of Johnson's work-ethic from his previous Employer and people with whom he worked as Mayor of London:

“He cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.”
“Johnson would not recognise truth, whether about his private or political life, if confronted by it in an identity parade.
Hastings, who described his former employee
as “morally bankrupt”, said Mr Johnson would never have the dignity required for public office.
"Johnson is a bully who is absolutely unfit for the role of Prime Minister," former boss Max Hastings said
He added: “Yet his graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later.”
Another: "His premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability."
He added: “He has long been considered a bully, prone to making cheap threats“ and..
"I have handwritten notes threatening dire consequences in print if I continued to criticise him.
Almost the only people who think Johnson a nice guy are those who do not know him".
Another said,
”there wasn't much difference between news and entertainment..(in his journalism)."
"He would write outrageous stories with only slenderest connection of truth in them."
And from the Staff at the Mayor's office:
“The most important aspect of Johnson’s working style is his lack of attention to detail.
The challenges, first of Brexit and then of the huge domestic conundrums we face–
all require attention to detail, hard work and tough choices.
The Boris Johnson I and many of those around him have seen has shown no evidence that he is capable of that.”

Those are comments from people who work closely with him daily. Nobody has ever said anything like that about Corbin. When the Chief Rabbi tried his underhand Tory support by lying about Corbin, Jewish people from many backgrounds, age groups and different Jewish groups wrote to say they dissociated themselves entirely from the Chief Rabbi's words and that they were voting Labour as it is the party they trust to be non racist and fair to all. See the Twitter responses.

The Waspi ladies had paid their dues. They are only asking for what is rightfully theirs. Corbin is saying he will see that justice and fairness is done. One cannot help thinking that this situation could only have been created by a Tory government who have no idea about working women and their need for their pension.

This election has really shown how people are willing to be bigoted and prejudiced and not look at real evidence and the truth.

For women to favour Boris Johnson is also ridiculous. The examples of his levels of betrayal of the interests of women are multitude but I will concentrate on his political record, summed up by Mandu Reid, leader of the Women's Equality Party in "Elle";
'Boris Johnson claims to be a feminist, but his silence on women’s rights, his past voting record and his political allegiances demonstrate that that is simply not true.
As an MP he voted against numerous policies aimed at tackling gender inequality, inaccurately and irresponsibly blamed the gender pay gap on immigration, voted against scrapping the tampon tax and has deliberately abstained from every single vote on abortion rights.
‘This is not the record of a feminist, and it shows a wilful disregard of women’s rights and interests.'

That is without regard to his personal behaviour and vile things he has said about women. Although in his biography Sonia Purnell writes:
"A British Court of Appeal judge, dealing with a gagging order around the existence of an extramarital Johnson child some years ago, raised questions about Johnson’s fitness for power because of his “recklessness” about pregnancy and the feelings of others when conducting “extramarital adulterous liaisons”. She also mentions "a former Telegraph colleague of his in a small Brussels office says “has the fiercest and most uncontrollable anger I have seen” which are surely germane to a person’s leadership qualities." His temper, sudden and very violent is frequently attested to when one looks into his life.

There is irrefutable evidence about how evil Johnson is. The tory press - which is just about all the press - and the BBC and some other TV stations, have to rake around, use bullying tactics, cheat and even lie to try and make out that Jeremy Corbin has done anything nasty or unfair or selfish. His political record is unblemished. They have to lie about that to try and make people believe otherwise.

I just knew someone would jump up on GransNet to have a go at him. It's very clear that the British cohort of this website is abundant with very self-satisfied, comfortably off, rather pleased with themselves middle class older ladies who see themselves as a bit superior to the mainstream public. I am aware that in the coffee mornings of these groups, the task of actually looking for real evidence, understanding what the real situation is, recognising lies and persuasive influence in the press and eliminating prejudice are not high priorities. A good gossip about how awful people are who do anything for the poor or associate with the working class or try to make an injustice right for working women is far more fun if you can tear this decent person apart and make him look the villain. What do you care about truth, honesty, decency? it's not exciting! Boris, on the other hand...

I am a WASPI woman. I was born in Sept 51. I knew in 1998 that this was going to happen. It was headline news. I received a letter at a later date (can't remember when exactly) confirming this. I was able to find out exactly when I would get my pension from the DWP website long before it was paid.

I waited an extra 18 months to get it. I also have a Local Government pension. We all have two choices in life - make sure that you have sufficient money to live comfortably or struggle. State pension is not meant to keep anyone in luxury, it provides for the basics. Like millions of others I worked and saved for my retirement. I get a slightly higher state pension because of my NI contributions. My husband earned a lot more than me, so paid a higher rate of NI again and his state pension is double mine.

I don't trust Comrade Corbyn to run a bath, let alone my beloved country.

nitpick find a post by Maisie and right hand corner is “private message” you can speak to her there

It’s not until after an election you see through the fog the lies and promises and it becomes clear you have been conned. . I remember that Cameron and Osborne said before the 2010 election that VAT would not rise. Yet days after Cameron won it went up from 15% to 20%. As for some saying Corbyn will increase everyone’s tax. We have family in Norway where tax is very high but so is the stranded of living and it’s one of the best countries in the world to live.

I was trying to reply to MaizieD directly, but couldn’t work out how do it. I found her explanation quoting Richard Murphy’s blog absolutely fascinating. And it’s still sinking in.

If 24% of women who will benefit are millionaires then 76% of those who benefit are not

It’s taken me a while for it to sink in, it I think I’ve got it. How interesting! And it does seem to make sense. I’ve just got to remember it now. I am so torn about this election....I can’t stand Jeremy Corbyn and the thought of seeing him in the role of our Prime Minister is quite disturbing. As is indeed the sight of Boris. You couldn’t look at either one and think “now there’s an honest, dependable man I could trust to run the country”

I have been paying in extra for the last few years,£67 per month!so I can get the full pension eventually, I was born in 1954 and still don't get any pension. I hope it will be next year but who knows, they could change the date again.

We need to let this go! The whole of society appears to be so self centred atm all about me, me ,me instead of thinking of the greater good to benefit all.
If waspies are healthy, why not work a couple of extra years, stay fit and active and continue to make a financial contribution to society.
There is so much more these billions should be spent on for those whose futures are ahead of them, the youngsters who don't eat properly before school, youth centres, training schemes, subsidised apprenticeships.
Mens retirement age was 65 so it was always an anomaly that women, who live longer in general than men, should retire earlier. There is much we should be doing with that money and I say that as someone who lost 5 years..
Do people even realise that if Corbyn starts to renationalise utilities, that present pension funds will suffer and values therein decrease.....this could affect your children. He's already said he won't pay market value for the utilities and Pensions Funds are invested in them. When last in 1997, Gordon Brown raided the pension funds of millions of savers, the result was closure of final salary schemes.
So there is no easy way to stay on track other than spend wisely and make no rash promises.

24% of the women who will benefit are already millionaires.

So says the Daily fail.

I think the AN interview with Corbyn was aggressive.
The poor man wasn’t given the chance to explain hardly anything before being constantly interrupted by that objectionable oaf.
If anyone thinks the country will go to the dogs if labour gets in. Well, it already has. Nobody noticed yet?

@growstuff

To answer your question, I typed I my date of birth into the labour weblink and it came up with that figure! I would rather have the £30k!

This is something that I feel very strongly about. I was born in 1958. I started work at 16 and the boys were paid more than me; at 16! Women weren’t allowed to join the occupational pension scheme until they were 30; and then at a 50% contribution of the men. To top it off I was sacked at 27 for being pregnant. Yes I believe that I deserve every penny I get. I’ve checked my Labour Party compensation and it’s £13300; nowhere near enough for the discrimination i’ve Suffered at work imo.

It just amazes me where the politicians are going to produce all these billions they’re promising from? Has it been down the back of the sofa all this time while all these cuts were going on then?