Tory Racism

In case I wasn't clear I HATE TORIES !

I also DO NOT TRUST CORBYN

It’s not just the Tories who believe in the ‘undeserving’ poor GagaJo, a lot of socialists do too.....

pinkquartz, PLEASE tell me you don't vote for Farage's party. We may disagree on politics but I'd hate to converse with a farager.

I do *not vote Tory

EVER

I hate and loathe Johnson and have said many time I an not a Tory voter but you don't hear that.

I feel we are between a rock and a hard place

Good post gaga- indeed.

How lovely to read your rational posts Grandad and GagaJo.

pinkquartz I know the effort in typing this is wasted but what Corbyn is offering is not as "socialist" as some of the Nordic Countries. Corbyn is not a communist if we could even say what that is these days.

Hang on, I think we may have been here before.

Has Mr Johnson convinced you that saying something that is obviously untrue is okay as long as that's how you want it to be? It is not true. You have never shown any facts that it is true. In fact, I will stop being careful. It is a lie and lies are not the new truth. Johnson convincing you of that is a lie too.

Oh don't be ridiculous! He's a a democratic socialist. I appreciate that compared to the 'just us' upper class party system of the Tories it may LOOK communist to treat everyone equally, but that is only based on a system that sees the poor as the undeserving poor, who suffer poverty as the result of an unequal system.

Railway nationalisation, partial or full state ownership of key utilities, universal healthcare provisions, state-funded house-building, no tuition fee education, education grants and loans.

These are factors of democratic socialism similar to that in Norway where they are so mainstream that not even the most right-wing of Norwegian political parties would challenge them.

the garbage on here is unbelievable....Labour do not want equality for all, do they?

Corbyn is not a socialist he is communist.

Socialism is needed but not available at this time

Exactly Grandad43.
racism in the Tory Party is a far larger problem than is such in the labour party, and that is why the Tories do not want any inquiry into the matter.

Right wing = divisions between classes, races, sexes, wealth. It is part and parcel of what their belief system is. UNLIKE Labour who are based on equality, particularly under JC.

lemongrove, in regard to your post @13:33 today, you state that "antisemitism has got out of hand and is far more of a pressing matter than racism etc in any other political party".

In the above, I feel that you (and others) are failing to compare the membership size of the Labour Party/movement as compared to the Tory Party. The last published membership figure for direct Labour Party members stated that figure is still above four hundred thousand. Added to that is the fact that there are over six million affiliated members within the Trade Union movement etc which at times have been sited as Labour members when comes to antisemitism and other racism incidents.

The above figures have to be judged against the Conservative Party which at the time of the last Leadership contest stood at one hundred and thirty thousand we were told.

If anyone then looks at the instances of racism in the Labour Party/Movement it is minuscule in terms of percentage when placed against the entirety of the number of members.

However, when anyone looks at the known number of Islamaphobic and other racist incidents in the Tory Party and then place that figure against the number of members in that party, the percentage of incidents as a figure per number of members is far higher than that of the Labour party.

Of course, no one can be sure of the total number of racist incidents that have taken place of recent in the Tory Party as they will not launch the inquiry that was promised to the British electorate at the time of the last Tory leadership campaign.

However, many are arguing that racism in the Tory Party is a far larger problem than is such in the labour party, and that is why the Tories do not want any inquiry into the matter.

What is the wrong, LG? The antisemitism in the actual Labour Party is no worse than the rest of the country, is being dealt with and is often, by it's critics confused with comments criticising Israel.

What exactly has he done wrong? This nonsense that "your racism is worse then my parties racism is ridiculous. It's designed to distract and you have to ask if you need to distract that much, what are you distracting from? Obviously, all racism is bad but look at the examples I have shown about Tory supporters and members Islamaphobia and nativism. I have a feeling that when the IHRA report comes out the egg will be on other faces. Then we can stop this dead cat bouncing and look into the ERG Tories, their members and their friends. That will certainly be worthwhile.

Hopefully we will get the

No I certainly won’t!
Two wrongs don’t make a right by the way.
In the last few years under Corbyn’s non leadership, the antisemitism has got out of hand and is far more of a pressing matter than racism etc in any other political party.

So you have got as far as admitting that the ERG Tories are not doing the right thing.

Will you actually apologise for your continued proselytising against the Labour Party and Corbyn as an individual if you are given enough evidence to show there is far more racism and religiophobia in the Tory party than in Labour and that while pointing out the mote in the Labour Parties eye they ignore the beam in their own.

There are certainly some examples there of councillors who in my own view should not have been re-admitted.I have no idea what censure deserves what action in political parties, but there are a few there who should definitely not be councillors after their tweets.
It doesn’t lessen the problems of antisemitism within the LP but I know that racism exists everywhere sadly.

lemongrove, below is a link in regard to the Tory party members expelled for racism and then quickly readmitted to the party.

It can be debatable whether the Labour Party acted quickly enough on some of its racism cases, but once they are expelled they stay expelled. However, with the Tory Party, it's rather like a revolving door, no sooner than they are out, they are back in.

Link to the above can be found here:-

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/24/tory-islamophobia-row-15-suspended-councillors-quietly-reinstated

Grandad I agree with you that all Parties should act, and quickly.
I have no knowledge of the claims you make so cannot say one way or the other, but the LP has been very slow off the mark with this issue in the past.

Apologies should be lemongrove above not Lemon Grove. Spell checker again. ?

lemongrove Quote [Grandad43 you are speaking of members of political parties, but most people in forums are not members, therefore cannot be kicked out or dealt with.] End Quote.

Lemon Grove, if anyone makes a racist post on a social site who is not a member of any political party then obviously no action can be taken against such persons unless what they have stated is illegal.

However, if such a person is a member of a political party then that party can and should act. Only the Labour party have at this point in time acted against such members, with the Conservative Party expelling a number of their members but always quickly re-admitting them, sometimes within days of being expelled.

To clarify...not members of forums, but posters on forums who are voters but not members of a political party.

Grandad43 you are speaking of members of political parties, but most people in forums are not members, therefore cannot be kicked out or dealt with.

From my observations, Boris Johnson doesn't "respond" when he chooses not to - he merely talks his way over questions that he doesn't like, hardly drawing breath and saying the same things over and over again, thus preventing the interviewer from seeking more clarity.

I only saw the last few minutes of the Marr interview, which consisted of Johnson's usual ramblings. However, during the Johnson/Corbyn questions to the leaders with Julie Etchingham, he kept on and on repeating "get Brexit done", the deal is "oven ready", "unleashing Britain's potential" - etc. etc. Just a roll call of slogans and no proper responses to any questions relating to other important issues. He also overran his time on every question, completely ignoring Etchingham's request for him to stop, and thus denying Corbyn his proper allocation of time. Perhaps Marr was mindful of this and, in order to obstruct these sorts of avoidance techniques, played Johnson at his own game - perhaps not the best tactic since it inevitably invites accusations of him "not letting Boris speak". Let's hope that Andrew Neil, who is a much tougher and more effective interviewer, has a chance to question Johnson - and that he is as tough on him as he is on other interviewees (bearing in mind that he has strong right wing links).

Johnson and other Conservative dignitaries thought it right and appropriate to interrupt election campaigning to celebrate the unveiling of a statue of Nancy Astor. Astor may have been a trailblazer for women in politics but she was also a notorious anti-semite who once said Hitler was a:

"welcome solution to the "world problem" of Jews." and, in an exchange with an MP, Alan Graham, said:

"Only a Jew like you would dare to be rude to me".

It has been said she was expressing views that were commonly held in Britain at that time, particularly in the aristocratic classes who saw fascism as wholly preferable to their perception of a communist threat, fascism being more in line with and protective of their own interests. Whether that excuses what has been described as her "virulent racism" is, I think, debatable but it feels very uncomfortable to me to be honouring someone who propounded such dreadful views - unless, at least, a comment underlining her fascist leanings and her unpalatable views on race and religion is included on the accompanying plaque.

Find evidence of Corbyn lying lemongrove. I'm waiting...

Does anybody remember having no time for teachers' pets?