Tory Racism

lemongrove, in regard to your post @17:41 today, many members of both the Labour and Tory parties have made racist posts on the any number of forums that you mention.

In that, the Labour Party have held an inquiry into those persons actions even and taken action even when those persons have only been affiliate members of the Labour Party.

However, with the Tory Party only when there has been full non-contestable evidence of members posting severe racist posts on social media has any action been taken at all.

Even then in the vast majority of such cases those who have had their membership removed for such action have had that membership very quickly restored, on occasion within a matter of days.

Boris Johnson along with other leading Tory Party members assured the British electorate that a full open enquiry would be inaugurated into racism in the party during the leadership campaign. However, no such enquiry has been brought forward. Another outright Tory lie

Now, such strong action should certainly get rid of the suspected rampant Islamaphobia and other racism there is In the Tory Party.

Each political party has to deal with anything racist said or done by one of it’s MP’s, councillors, activists and members.

So how do you think the Tories will deal with these members "internally" LG. Actually, don't bother to tell me it will just be another of Mr Johnson's lies blithely repeated as truth. Why on earth should I believe they are doing anything other than finding a way to appease people with those views so they vote for them.

If you are not any of the above, not even a member ( as many voters are not) but writing on one of the hundreds ( if not thousands) of forums then it’s not up to the political parties to intervene, it’s free speech unless the moderators want to pick up on it.

So why blame every tweet from someone who says they support Corbyn on the Labour Party? It's pure deceit, and we hear it all the time, the Labour Party are responsible for all, have not acted quickly enough, etc., etc., but then we here the like of what I quote above. One rule for other and another for Liar Johnson.

I doubt the moderators view it that way.

I didn’t need to ‘know’ anything thanks, but just glad the thread has vanished.

Is killing off threads the new game?

Each political party has to deal with anything racist said or done by one of it’s MP’s, councillors, activists and members.
Most will not be a police matter and could be dealt with internally.
If you are not any of the above , not even a member ( as many voters are not) but writing on one of the hundreds ( if not thousands) of forums then it’s not up to the political parties to intervene, it’s free speech unless the moderators want to pick up on it.

I think that when you have a political party with only one hundred and thirty thousand as its total membership, and fifty-one percent of that membership states that they would not vote for a Muslim Prime Minister purely for the reason he or she was a Muslim, then that says it all.

It's up to the government and the law when people are breaking the law.

Why, if you do not think those posts are the responsibility of the ERG Tories, should other posts on an open system be the responsibility of the Labour Party? You have certainly made very vociferous comments that they should be.

I didn’t need to ‘know’ anything thanks, but just glad the thread has vanished.

It’s up to the moderators on that site, not the Brexit Party or The Conservatives unless it becomes a police matter.
Same as on here or any other forum.

Your thread on antisemitism wasn’t deleted because of your examples of right-wing chuntering, but because the GN posts were getting worse on the anti-semitic front.....am glad it’s gone.

I actually didn't say that it was LG and I agreed with GN that it should go. I had asked them earlier if they didn't think it should be deleted as it was defaulting to the standard tropes and they put a message on rather than delete it at that stage. They emailed me - which I appreciate - to let me know they had decided to delete it as posts were becoming very personal.

Anything else you want to know?

No LG it wasn't from GN. It's from a forum I have been following for some time and have referred to in the past. All pensioners. If not majority male the females say little. Very right-wing, Leave and they don't allow you to disagree but it gives me an insight into what way the thinking of this group is moving.

The guy who wrote the one with a link is happy to share on that forum that he is a member of both the Brexit Party and the Conservative Party. I feel they should take responsibility for these people and look into what they are posting - don't you?

Grow up growstuff

Many years ago, when my daughter was at primary school, she had a reading comprehension app, designed to teach the difference between opinions and facts. I think (that's an opinion btw) that some posters could do with borrowing the app.

No, it wasn't tongue in cheek JenniferEccles. It was offensive and Johnson knew damn well it would cause offence.

How dare you mention the word "Muslim" *Gracesgran! It's offensive and will have the snowflakes shaking their pearls.

Discussing threads which have been deleted are against GN rules lemongrove. Surely you know that! It's such a shame that some people can't cope with grown up talk!

I find this tread offensive!!! People are expressing views, with which I disagree. Can it be deleted?

I don’t know where you got that post from GGM3 certainly not from anyone here on GN.
No doubt we could all trawl the net for fascist and antisemitic
Type posts then put them on here.....but it would be much better if we didn’t!
Your thread on antisemitism wasn’t deleted because of your examples of right wing chuntering, but because the GN posts were getting worse on the anti-semitic front.....am glad it’s gone.

This letterboxes and bank robbers quote has just been taken in isolation.

Whether or not it was taken in isolation JenniferEccles you can see above the effect it had and I would suggest was intended to attract the Tory/Brexit group who approve of such talk.

Another previously posted:

I think that every point of entry to the UK & all public buildings should display this poster for the benefit of immigrants & British citizens who can't prove British citizenship going back a minimum of six generations.

bit.ly/33Eq34K

It was interesting that the other thread was deleted just as I put on examples of right-wing racism. Overall I think it was right but I will repeat the examples. This was the first

Did anyone see the programme a week or so ago, Question Time of Election Debate, letter box woman in the audience ranging and wanting Boris to appologse for being racist, she chooses to wear this black thing etc. Actually their religion tells women to avert their eyes from men and not draw attention to themselves. So why was letterbox woman shouting her mouth off if she was that religious. One reason only, she wears this ridicules outfit to stick two fingers up at us, and then shout islamaphobia.

You might expect muslims, foreigners etc. to play the race card, what baffles me is why stupid liberal British idiots pander to them. Why should us native British play second fiddle to immigrants, be forced by hate laws to watch what we say. We should come first and they should be damned grateful we have taken them into our country and not critisise there is always a boat or plane back to their homeland if they don't like it. But I'm not supposed to say that am I?

What the Tory party and Brexit Party, which these people profess to support or belong to, doing about such posts.

This letterboxes and bank robbers quote has just been taken in isolation.

If any of you cared to read the whole piece Boris wrote for the newspaper you will see that in that article he actually defended the right of people to wear whatever they wanted.

The letterboxes comment was kind of tongue in cheek.

If you want to discuss racism then look no further than Labour.

I mean, do you actually believe that there will be 40 new hospitals, and 50000 new nurses, and that huge swaves of the NHS won't be sold in exchange for deals, or the reduction of bio safety and welfare to open our shores to USA beef cattle industry (etc, etc- the list is almost endless).

If you do- then it does make you gullible- nothing to do with having a 'different view'.

not at all, it is not the difference of views or opinions that makes someone gullible. It is when someone swallows line, hook and sinker - massive lies, and refuses to acknowledge that they are that, LIES.

grayKat it constantly amazes me that posters who happen to hold different views to others are called 'gullible' [and worse!]
on GN....it was ever thus I suppose.