Unman Khan and some light on the issue

Oh nice!

txss off

growstuff I could add a couple more names

How sad turning the murder of two people by a terrorist into a personal attack on Gransnet posters who don't happen to agree with you, how sad and inappropriate.

Firecracker is so right.

Sorry for my contribution.

this thread is being dominated by some "liberal do gooder types"
who believe they are far superior and know better than everyone else......
I guess they are here to boost their sad ego's.

as he was born here he is deemed British.

Well of course he is. How many generations do we have to live here before we are just accepted as British. My grandfather on one side and great grandmother on the other emigrated to Britian - but of course, that doesn't count does it? They were Irish. So I am British born.

It is only differently coloured British born here who are deemed to be British. What about the white British Islamic terrorists. Are they ^ deemed^ to be British?

I am glad I am having the wisdom to apply for an Irish passport

I don't know Fishmongers Hall, but security in that particular conference room should have been tighter. I think there is a case for health and safety to look at, at least.

Perhaps it was deemed a private function where the usual bag searching rules don't apply. Big mistake though.

All I am going to say is that instead of arguing and posting your personal views you might consider what the two people who died would want to be remembered for. If you think it would be for increasing sentences and becoming more draconian that's fine, but if you think they would prefer to be remembered as believing in rehabilitation and second chances then honour their memory appropriately.

TerriBull Asked by Sophie Ridge. Jeremy Corbyn he said shoot to kill was the right thing to do.

jolbook Khan was an official attender at the meeting in one of the meeting rooms. Phtographs suggested that there were only about 30 people in the meeting. It was not the sort of meeting where you would have a security man sitting in. Indeed given the nature of the meeting, I would think that would have been firmly rejected.

There was an interview with the manager at Fishmonger's Hall at lunch today. Their security was fine. The entrance doors were kept locked and they tried not to unlock them and let him out, but he was threatening staff and they decided.with the police already on their way that it was safer to open the doors.

It was quite clear in the interview that FH staff responded quickly and very courageously and at least one has already been nominated for a gallantry award.

M.
Thanks for info..

David Merritt, whose son Jack was one of two people killed by convicted terrorist Usman Khan on Friday, condemned the prime minister and Priti Patel, the home secretary, for using the attack as justification for a series of tougher criminal policies.

Mr Merritt suggested the Tories were using his son's death to promote "vile propaganda" and shared a tweet accusing Mr Johnson of trying to "make political gain from people's death in a terror incident".

Cambridge University graduate Jack Merritt, 25, worked for the Learning Together programme, which uses education to try to rehabilitate prisoners into the community.

Following the attack, the Conservatives vowed to toughen terror sentences and stop criminals entering the UK from the EU, and launched a crackdown on people convicted of terrorism offences who had been released early.

That prompted Mr Merritt to share a tweet by left-wing journalist and academic Ash Sarkar which said: "It's beyond disgusting that Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and newspapers like the [Daily] Mail are using Jack Merritt's death and image to promote an agenda he fought against all his life. He was a passionate believer in rehabilitation and transformative justice, not draconian sentencing."

He then retweeted a second post by Ms Sarkar which said: "Jack Merritt's family and loved ones have asked that rightwing newspapers and political parties not use his murder to advance reactionary demands. If you see it happening, call it out. They deserve so much better."

Mr Merritt also posted two front-page articles about the Conservatives' crackdown on released terror offenders, writing: "Don't use my son's death, and his and his colleague's photos - to promote your vile propaganda. Jack stood against everything you stand for - hatred, division, ignorance."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-london-bridge-terror-attack-jack-merritt-father-daily-mail-a9228886.html

Is Mr Merritt what The Daily Mail and Express might call one of the "liberal do gooder types"?

varian, I am concerned that what sounded like a justified call for respect from an anguished father, is beginning to look somewhat partisan.

I’m an alcoholic and not had a drink for 34 years

I think Mr Merritt deserves to be heard and deserves our respect as well as our sympathy and compassion.

He is more entitled to speak out at this dreadful time than any politician and we should heed his warning.

He could never be accused of exploiting his son's death for political ends, unlike these vile newspapers and politicians.

Now there'll be more killings because the perp. was shot and so it goes on ad infinitum.

It's no use the police saying there are no more suspects-----of course there are !!

I agree MOnica

If you can't be "partisan" after your child is killed when can you be? Who else can speak up and remember the values your child lived by? Are you just supposed to forget?

I can see absolutely no reason why he should be partisan after the loss of his child. His first statement essentially saying'a curse on all your houses' He was better than any of you. Do not drag my dead child into your degrading arguments. I totally understood, but once the message started shifting to singling out one party to attack to the advantage of another, I just felt very sad.

oh my, Monica - because it is Johnson who has made the degrading arguments, who has used the death of his child, who believed the politics of THAT party were wrong and against all he believed in- to gain advantage in this sickening election campaign. Of course his condemnation was aimed at the party and the man responsible- how can you not see that???

And now Corbyn is using it to damn Trump - you really couldn’t make it up could you? And I’m meant to vote next week.....

grannylyn65, your contribution could get lost but I want to acknowledge its significance. You say you're an alcoholic but haven't had a drink in 34 years.
That presumably in order to challenge the poster who said there's no point trying to rehabilitate terrorists, its like telling an alcoholic not to drink.
As well as people who have been addicted to drugs and alcohol managing to stay sober, we have people who were serious, dangerous offenders who managed to turn their lives around. No one says it's easy or that all offenders want to be rehabilitated, that all jihadis can be de radicalised but - some can.