Everything is wrong in this country

All this "all aboard for Brexit" is a childish jibe - the country is divided- it wont be all aboard for anything other than years of misery and more poverty - sorry Im not on board and neither are millions of others- keep your dismal Brexit festivals and 50ps - which have already cost £ms, you can party with the union jack waving thugs who are on your side. Enjoy.

Since when is " depressed" an acceptable insult to throw at somebody because they worry about hungry children?

Iam64 The difficulty for some people is that if they accept the facts, they have to own up to being partially responsible for them.

Eloethan's post prompted me to read the whole thread. Thank you for writing what you did Eloethan. I hope the posts aren't deleted because it's important that right-minded posters should see what some others are like.

Thanks (again) Eloethan.
I'm being somewhat reassured when I listen to radio phone ins, or audience panel debates like Any Questions, that the majority in this country remain 'liberal' in their approach to the key social issues facing us. That doesn't seem to be reflected on many political threads on gransnet currently. This need to deny that life is very tough for those on the margins, as well as for the so called working poor, is a mystery to me.
Whitewave's list has led to her being attacked, accused of being depressed, miserable etc. What's so difficult in accepting in fact, her list is an accurate reflection of where we're at?

Well Said Eloethan

So far, I've got up to page 7 of this thread.

The next time people complain about "rudeness" and "bullying" - often when a poster merely has the temerity to disagree with them, they should take a look at this thread and the comments made about whitewave

I rarely agree with threads that complain of "bullying" - disagreeing with someone and saying why you disagree isn't bullying - but personal attacks are. Some examples:

"What on earth are you going to do with your time after the General Election is over Whitewave?"

"... bleating on about the wicked government>."

"I feel for you. Is there any joy in your life whatsoever?"

"What a sad person she sounds" (speaking to another poster of like mind about Whitewave)

"You may find it hard to try to find one good thing that happened to you during the day..."

"You are a negative, moaning empty glass type ...."

"Pleeese - get a life"

"You are a depressing person. Your face must be so long your chin is touching the ground ha ha ha ...."

"So relieved you are not my next door neighbour ...."

"this poster has certainly been brain washed".

Then *whitewave" is accused of being some sort of paid Labour propagandist because she refuses to respond in kind to these insults. Well done to her I say (unless she finally loses her cool, which I think would be quite understandable in the circumstances - I haven't read the whole thread yet. If she truly were a paid lobbyist for Labour, I feel quite sure she would be a great deal more subtle about it. She and some others (including me) have openly expressed their disgust with Conservative policies and their support of Labour. There are posters on these political threads who pose as "neutral bystanders", supposedly indifferent to all parties, but who consistently applaud this government and criticise its opponents. These are the people who are more likely to be lobbyists.

Your determination to insult a poster rather than address the points she has raised says more about you than it does about her.

Urmstongran - you sound like the Brexit party is already under way. No-one should count their chickens before they're hatched. We haven't had the election yet.

Any chance of another referendum? Indyref from gammons?

Grow up, Urmstongran! This isn't a party game for toddlers! On second thoughts, having read some comments on here, maybe that really is how some people see it. Wow! They've won! Woopee!

It's a shame they won't have to sort out the mess they've created. They'll leave that to somebody else and then blame them when it all goes wrong.

You are quite right varian when you say "It’s looking like Brexit’s gonna happen. Time to get used to it people."

This comes from a poster who told us brexit would happen in March. and in April and in October.

She was wrong three times so lets all hope she is wrong again.

I did say it. Each time!

However THIS TIME it will be achievable because Boris will have a Brexit majority government and Cabinet.

No more ‘meaningful votes’ by Remain voting MP’s
No more Bercow!
No more ‘amendments’ to thwart the Withdrawal Agreement.

Just full steam ahead!

All aboard ... ?

Lemongrove wasn’t the bus “electric”?

Anyone see the human bees glueing themselves to the LibDem battle bus? ?

3Nanny6

What's wrong with Chelsea Tractors and the like? They are too large for the roads and aren't necessary in cities.

I am sure I am a mixture but I'm too mean to pay to find out. My OH did however and found out that he was 32% Anglos Saxon, 36% Scandinavian and the remainder Celt, southern European and a tiny percentage of middle Eastern.

I regret to say that I find the rest of your post rather muddled.

Opal I couldn't agree more, and your description of your life so far is the same as mine - working-class, work at 16, never received any benefits, etc.

Whitewavemark2 What a miserable, depressing, bitter person you sound. Give it a rest.

Not as disrespectful as the Brexit MEP's behaviour...[imo]..

Scotland voted to remain in the UK because it didn't want to leave the EU. They then voted to remain in the EU [along with Gibraltar and Ireland but their vote was ignored. So, the only way to remain in the EU is to leave the Union. Seems pretty straight forward to me...

That was such a dreadful thing to do, the Lib Dems wearing those disrespectful t-shirts in the European Parliament. Such infantile behaviour, I was ashamed that they were British.

Boris Johnson says we are better together I NATO, so why not in the EU?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50653296

It’s strange that Scotland wants to leave the UK but doesn’t want to leave the European Union irrespective of Brexit

To coin a Lib Dem slogan I say

Bollocks to the EU

Unless we can stop it.

..and Brexit will probably break up the union......

The union jack stands for the Union of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

We are the British people.

We are also proud to be members of the European Union.

Those promoting brexit are unpatriotic , even if they are doing the will of the right-wing tabloids.

It really annoys me using the Union Jack to propagate such b**ls**t.....nothing patriotic about Brexit....