Surprised about LibDems

I think Corbyn is far more ministerial than Johnson these days. The LibDems just don't have the funds that the Tories and Labour have.

Well Corbyn looks the part but...........

He does actually speak better than blustery Boris as well. And I'm saying that as someone that's never liked him much. Maybe the standards are dropping!

Well Corbyn looks the part but
He's certainly had a makeover

I wonder if he hates his new look?

Ed Davey Dept Leader, (Lib Dem’s) on the Andrew Neil show has said if the Tories get a minority government then the Lib Dem’s will work with them.

Haven’t we seen this before?

I am not a dyed-in-the-wool Tory but believe BJ will get a majority because people are sick of division.

Maybe the standards are dropping!
Laibak DH said yesterday that we don't have anyone who seems "statesmanlike" any more (or "stateswomanlike").

Fake news.

What Ed Davey has said was that the Libdems would not enter a coalition with a Tory party led by Johnson or a Labour party led by Corbyn.

If either of these two should end up leading a minority government the Libdems would treat each issue on its merits and vote on a case by case basis, only supporting measures which they considering the best interests of the country.

Ah I watched the clip. Didn’t come across like that. I don’t usually comment on the political threads.
There are too many lies flying about for sensible discussions, in and out of the media.
Won’t be commenting again.

The much awaited judgment of the Institute for Fiscal Studies was brutal and even-handed: a plague on both your houses.

A feature of every election campaign is the day when the thinktank that specialises in tax, public spending and government borrowing does a number-crunching exercise on the party manifestos.

This time it was the Liberal Democrats who fared best. The party’s decision to put a penny on income tax was praised for being simple, progressive and guaranteed to raise a certain amount of revenue. The IFS said there would be a growth dividend of 2% of GDP from Jo Swinson’s policy of scrapping Brexit. And they were the only one of the three main parties to have debt on a decisively downward path.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/28/tory-labour-election-spending-plans-not-credible-ifs-lib-dems

To return to the OP, I think that the Lib Dems are just being squeezed as previously and inevitably in the two-party system. More Tory and Labour seats are Lib Dem facing as opposed to facing one another, therefore it's in the interests of both to deride and blame the Lib Dems, and pick holes in Jo Swinson.

The tragedy is that in the long run, whichever party anyone supports in domestic matters, the bare fact is that the Lib Dems are right that Brexit has turned out an unworkable mistake. The referendum was taken seriously. Two long years were spent by the Cons govt (not 'parliament') trying to negotiate an exit strategy. People who now say they'll vote for Boris Johnson because they think he'll 'get things done' or because took offence at some remark of Jo Swinson's or dislike her dress sense will have much to answer for. They know very well that Brexit will do nothing to end social injustice which is what many people say is their main concern.

I read today that there’s a strong possibility Jo Swinson could lose her seat to the SNP. She started the campaign stating she was in an election to be Prime Minister. Her over confidence annoyed some people along with threatening to overturn a democratic vote on the first day of her premiership. She’s admitted it was wrong and she had to change but by then she had turned voters off. Perhaps she was badly advised.

The LibDems just don't have the campaign funding that the other parties have. And it doesn't help when Swinson is left out of debates, either.

Jo Swinson is DEFINITELY ill advised. Her interviews are train wrecks.

I'm remain but wouldn't vote Lib Dem because of swinsons record of voting with the Tories. They have devastated the poor of this country together and need to be voted out

I think she interviews very well; certainly better than blustering Boris. And why are the LibDems getting 100% of the blame for what the Tories did. They also made a point of campaigning the remain when other parties were half hearted about it. Tactical voting next week is vital be it LibDem or Labour and we must ignore things like voting records.It's just playing into the Tories hands. And it's they alone that have plunged this country into catastrophe.

In a coalition government the LibDems had to compromise but don't forget the good things they did achieve - pupil premium, taking low earners out of income tax (which the Tories now claim credit for) and much more.

The fact is that this country and its MSM is used to two party politics and will always ignore or marginalise the LibDems who threaten the cosy two party stitch up.

The Economist on why they support the LibDems
www.economist.com/leaders/2019/12/05/britains-nightmare-before-christmas

Every vote for the Liberal Democrats today is a vote for hope. It’s a rejection of the politics of hatred and division, and it’s your chance to demand better for the future of our country

but not if the vote is wasted- tactical voting is essential to do the above.

I joined the Lib Dems and was ful of hope - but they lost me when Jo said she would work with the Cons but not with Labour. Very disappointed.

I don't think she said that; more that she couldn't work with Corbyn, the reason being that so many people have left Labour and joined the LibDems because of him [me included] and it would be a betrayal; having said that I shall vote tactically today.

When did Jo ever say she would work with the Cons but not with Labour Jura?

I have heard her say more than once that she would not support a Tory govt led by Johnson, nor a Labour govt led by Corbyn.

If there is a minority govt the LibDems will vote on an issue-by-issue basis. If Corbyn is leading a minority government which proposes a People's Vote, the LibDems would certainly support that.

Jo Swinson, and I think most other LibDems, would happily work with Labour under another leader.

But what if Corbyn remains ??? This would be really spiting our face ...

How do you mean Jura?

Not if it means a peoples vote; ie trade off working with Corbyn to achieve what the LibDems have been fighting for for 3 + years, and Corbyn has been, until recently, opposing....