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Surprised about LibDems

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AllTheLs Thu 05-Dec-19 12:56:27

This isn't posted to start an argument, but I am genuinely surprised at how badly the LibDems are doing in the polls. During the Summer and Autumn the media, the forums on Gransnet, conversations with family/friends, almost everybody seemed to strongly advocate Remaining in the EU, so I thought the LibDems would do much better in this election than it seems they are doing. I wondered if others were surprised at this and whether there is an explanation out there somewhere.

WeekendVisit Fri 06-Dec-19 10:34:08

Liberal democrats can see into the souls of bearded penis havers and see the woman inside. Those of us that see a man have to accept these men giving us a security check at the airport, a smear test, share a hospital ward with them - without exception.

mobile.twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1065232705548374016

WeekendVisit Fri 06-Dec-19 10:40:24

This is why the 'veil' law changes on this happened with no media or public attention in other countries as instructed, once it's law it's illegal to object.

trisher Fri 06-Dec-19 10:49:23

Let's not get distracted by the use of a word many don't understand and most don't care about. I don't know what it is about Jo Swinson but there is something that really irritates. And it's not that she's a 'strong' woman. I find Nicola Sturgeon totally believable and appealing. I think Jo Swinson inherited a poisoned chalice and has somehow managed to top it up with more poison instead of chucking it out and rebuilding from scratch. Quite how I can't decide.

janeainsworth Fri 06-Dec-19 10:53:13

Well thank you for all that Weekend.

Trisher wouldn’t it be a bit more grown up to concentrate on what politicians say & believe in, rather than focusing on what’s irritating about them?

trisher Fri 06-Dec-19 10:58:38

It might be janeainsworth but I think an irritating personality probably influences more people than any single speech or even their beliefs. Such is democracy.

WeekendVisit Fri 06-Dec-19 11:53:10

Jo Swinson today on Radio 4.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000c2h0

WeekendVisit Fri 06-Dec-19 12:00:23

Let the state care for your children.

We will teach your children post modern queer ideology.

search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Donations/C0414266

Our lobbyist donors provide puberty blockers that lower your child's IQ and make them a permanent pre pubescent infertile adult more likely to be diagnosed with osteoporosis, cancer and heart disease.

As you know climate change means less resources and lowering the population growth...

pinkquartz Fri 06-Dec-19 12:11:37

I am finding your post entertaining WeekendVisit

I think this is an important issue that is not really getting the attention it needs.

I am a woman.

Cis might not have negative meaning but it sounds like cyst and I am not a growth grin

pinkquartz Fri 06-Dec-19 12:13:30

I also find Jo Swinson irritating and tried to work out why.
I don't think she has yet developed her own views...I think she adopts other peoples and so comes across unconvincing.

Clegg did a lot of damage in the Coalition.

I wish we had PR

chicken Fri 06-Dec-19 12:21:12

I've voted Lib-Dem for decades, but not this time. The party name is Liberal DEMOCRAT but how can it be democratic to say that they will cancel Brexit when it was as the result of a democratic referendum result? Sorry, Lib Dems, but you've shot yourselves in the foot this time, IMHO.

WeekendVisit Fri 06-Dec-19 13:23:03

Workers rights, service users rights, protecting the vulnerable from themselves, Jo Swinson and the lobbyists know better!

Police, airport security, prison, NHS staff can self identify as anybody or be forced to accept the self identification of a service user.

We used to have checks, safeguarding and protections based upon biological material reality, now it's all about that special ability spdcial politicians have developed the ability to see into the souls of the penis owning bearded naked Emperor and the funding pharma, training organization and lobbyist spinners!

amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/jo-swinson-passionate-gender-neutral-uniform/?__twitter_impression=true

I also noted the responses from John McDonnell on the webchat.

iluvsylvanianfamilies51 Fri 06-Dec-19 13:30:36

I voted leave so would not support her position but my granddaughter showed me her voting record and it was appalling!!! consistently voted to cut disability benefit. Thats evil. granddaughter also has £52000 worth of debt because of Lib Dems. Not a popular choice among the young!!

Dyffryn Fri 06-Dec-19 13:58:09

I would not vote Lib Dem either. Apart from Swinsons awful voting record there is an article in the guardian today questioning whether they would go in with the Tories again in the case of a hung parliament. That is too big a risk for me.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/06/lib-dems-deal-tories-jo-swinson-boris-johnson?CMP=share_btn_tw

varian Fri 06-Dec-19 14:17:35

“Vote Lib Dem, get Tory” has become something of a Twitter mantra during this election, coined by those who fear the LibDems taking votes from Labour. It is not just the Tory Party which uses dirty tricks to attack the LibDems.

Labaik Fri 06-Dec-19 14:38:15

I don't understand why people find Jo Swinson irritating and are prepared to not vote tactically to prevent the obviously not irritating Johnson have a mandate to change this country beyond all recognition. And why are they getting the total blame for tuition fees? As has been explained by others they did a lot of trade offs with the Tories; none of which they are remembered for. As far as I'm concerned if people vote Tory next week they're welcome to their chlorinated chicken and privatised NHS. Everyone loves Nicola Sturgeon at the moment [and so they should; she's amazing] but choose to ignore the fact that she wants to break up the union. Why do voters have such tunnel vision? I'm still annoyed with Corbyn and his fence sitting for 4 years but I'm still going to vote tactically. I despair. And, if the LibDems do somehow agree to hold up a Conservative Government [other than for making them have another referendum] I'll hold up my hands and say I was wrong and I'm sorry.

notanan2 Fri 06-Dec-19 16:24:23

I don't understand why people find Jo Swinson

You don't get why someone who said that men being allowed in women's shelters is no higher risk than having lesbians in them, is "irritating".

Okay then.

Labaik Fri 06-Dec-19 16:36:59

So, what other LibDem policy do you find irritating?

janeainsworth Fri 06-Dec-19 16:55:02

Well having just read the LBC link that weekend put up, which is nothing to do with what he or she wrote in their post, I agree with everything Jo Swinson says about teenagers being allowed to have a choice in what school uniform they wear, and I’m glad I’ve already voted LibDem.

varian Fri 06-Dec-19 17:29:58

Another really good LD policy is to allow EU citizens living in the UK to vote in any future EU referendum.

It was outrageous that these folk, who were more affected by the result than any of us were disenfranchised. Their names are on the electoral register as they can vote in local elections and EU elections.

When I was on the People's Vote March earlier this year I met a mother and daughter, both Italian citizens, who had not been able to vote in the fraudulent referendum of 2016.

The mother, in her fifties, had come here at the age of eighteen to go to a UK university. She had stayed and worked for more than thirty years as a medical scientist. The daughter, possibly about twenty-five had been born here and like her mother was working and paying taxes here.

How could anyone possibly justify these people not being able to vote in a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU?

growstuff Fri 06-Dec-19 20:53:07

notanan2 Maybe if they all looked like letterboxes and then nobody would know if they were men or women hmm.

growstuff Fri 06-Dec-19 20:55:10

Dyffryn Would you vote tactically, if there was a very good chance that a LibDem could win a seat currently held by Tories?

growstuff Fri 06-Dec-19 21:00:49

iluvsylvanianfamilies Your GD has a £52k debt because the Tories, who were the major party in the coalition, wanted to raise tuition fees and the LibDems agreed as a trade off for the pupil premium.

How much will she actually pay back compared with what she would have paid back with the old system? That's the figure which really matters, not the total debt.

Far more important are the facts that the Tories abolished the means-tested and non-repayable grant, which means that the debt will be higher. Moreover, the Tories want to extend the period before the debt is written off for another five years, which will cost graduates dearly when they are in their fifties.

growstuff Fri 06-Dec-19 21:02:39

chicken IF the LibDems win and are in a position to revoke Brexit (which is highly unlikely), it will be because the people have shown that they want to revoke it by voting LibDem. How is that not democratic?

Labaik Fri 06-Dec-19 21:57:47

And no one can tell them after they've voted that they voted to implement Brexit. Which is wat happened to me after the last election, even though my Labour vote was purely to prevent a disastrous Tory landslide. So, along with many others I decided to support the LibDems so that my [and their] position would be perfectly clear, brexitwise.

M0nica Fri 06-Dec-19 22:17:25

Dyffryn The Guardian is a Labour supporting paper. Of course they will publish an article like this, in order make people like you react as you have.

I am afraid what Jo Swinson has to do is submit herself to the image makers in the way that Jeremy Corbyn has. See any picture of him now and it is clear he now goes to a really good hairdresser, is wearing bespoke suits, shirts and ties that go well with his har and complexion and altogether putting on an appearance of being capable of holding his own an international stage. Pity that what he says and does or doesn't do undermines him.

Jo Swinson would benefit from a good expensive haircut, modulating her voice and getting a stylist in. Lib Dems would probably poll another 5%. Nicola Sturgeon always looks the part. Jo Swinsn looks like a researcher who accidentally found herself on the stage when she opened the wrong door.

Nowadays, like it or not, these things count. I appreciate Boris is the exception to the rule, but I suspect that his time in office may not be much longer than TMs, if he wins the election and begins to be seen on the international scene regularly. His pulled through a hedge backwards look and total disorganisation will soon pall on both Tory MPs and the Tory faithful and internationally he will seen to be a bigger buffoon than Trump. Whatever else we may say (and we do) Trump is always well groomed and has good posture.