Brexit dividing my family.

I think that racism was very very frowned upon, or appeared to be. Then those who voted leave for racist reasons just assumed others did the same.

Hate crime quadrupled after Brexit, that wasn't for no reason. I heard a very elderly lady who I have known for years say "Now we can get them foreigners out". I would never have known.

To be fair I am always polite to people still, just a little distance now. If you look at at this way, it's actually more respectful to them to be distant rather than risk a confrontation if they say something that offends you.

Not everyone who voted leave is racist (though racists did vote leave, they are but a small and obnoxious minority).

That's not what I said Hetty, I said that's what the racists assumed of other leave voters ... And some liberals... I'm more of a moderate.

<<As for not saying how you voted - well I am sorry- but if you talk to people, and they tell you how they feel about x, y, z- or Johnson, or Corbyn- it is usually very obvious. I am afraid I come from a family, and so does OH, where we talk about all sorts, and not just the weather, village gossip and platitudes- thank goodness.>>

Oh, we have very intellectual conversations in this house, I’m happy to report. Johnson/Corbyn don’t come up very much here, I suppose because I live in Scotland and we look to Holyrood rather than Westminster.

I’m a floating voter, I’ve never voted for any particular party, although my mother’s family were Liberals. I’d never dare ask her how she votes, though! It’s more than my life’s worth, as her family held the secret ballot in high esteem, due to the history of the area they lived in. She did let slip she voted Remain, that’s the only time she’s ever told me. She still argues politics until the cows come home, even at 92yo.

Johnson/Corbyn don’t come up very much here

Nor in my house SueDonim, but probably for very different reasons!

Luckily, almost all of my friends and family are Leavers so I don't have to put with Remainer sour grapes rants, except on here!!!!

Starblaze, my comment was not directed at you, rather at the remainers who just assume that leavers must be racist - which is very insulting.

Oh, sorry, tired today

Yes I agree

'If you knew people who were racist before brexit, I'm surprised you didn't distance yourself long ago

I asked that very same question at 17.15 MissA but got no response. It seems so obvious! Why would you have anything to do with anyone, on any level, if you know, thought or suspected that they are racist?'apologies for that but I've actually been watching the debate. Sometimes, you have to work with people. Or they're friends of friends and you can't avoid them socially. Or it's a very dear friends husband. So you just don't respond to their comments and hope that it dawns on them that every time they make a remark that's offensive you ignore it and change the subject. I'm possibly meeting someone socially on Sunday that described someone as a 'darkie'. So I shall just keep out of their way so as not to make others feel uncomfortable. And I no longer work so don't have to put up with racist comments there. A friend of mine is a phlebotomist and hears racist comments on a regular basis; she just has to bite her bottom lip and get on with sticking needles in them.

I do wonder if those arguing about Brexit with family and friends would have fallen out eventually about something trivial sooner or later anyway. I voted remain, but would vote leave given another referendum. I don't have a problem with people who exercise their democratic vote whichever way they like though, and nobody I know has a split family due to different opinions. Maybe a bit more tolerance is needed of other peoples right to believe what they will.

she just has to bite her bottom lip and get on with sticking needles in them.

There must be times that your friend enjoys her job very much Labaik, depending on who she's jabbing!

Starblaze, you say: 'Hate crime quadrupled after Brexit' but I can't find any evidence whatsoever for that. Your source?

Reported hate crime did increase, but only according to some figures, with the reasons difficult to identify. Of course, 'reported' crime is very different to actual convictions.

Police changed their recording method and it's also a matter of perception (whether a victim believes it was a hate crime).

According to the Crime survey, there was a dramatic reduction in hate crimes. The Home Office, though, reported increases ('spikes') after Brexit and even higher ones after the terrorist attacks (perception?):

fullfact.org/crime/hate-crime-england-and-wales/

I don't trust full fact, run by tory party donors.

My DCs resent their GPs who voted leave and I don't blame them. Their question to me and their DF (we also voted remain) was 'why are they (GPs) ruining our future?' It's a fair point.

Really? I thought that Full Fact was a registered charity. (registered charity (no. 1158683)

Full Fact fights bad information.
We’re a team of independent fact checkers and campaigners who find, expose and counter the harm it does.

It is doubled, not quadrupled though I don't know where I got quadrupled from. Most hate crime goes unreported though. It may be that I read an article that accounted for unreported crime. Personally, when it comes to seeing people be openly racist, I've seen it go from 0 to crazy.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/oct/15/hate-crimes-double-england-wales

I doubt brexit is to blame for the increase in most of rising hate crimes.

So it hasn't resulted in people being told to 'go back to your own country' then?

Why do you doubt it MissAdventure? Or is it just a gut feeling?

Well, the guardian article gives figures, though obviously I've no idea of their accuracy.

Neither have I, but I wouldn't be so certain about doubting something, of which I have no evidence.

So it hasn't resulted in people being told to 'go back to your own country' then

Absolutely certain is has Labaik; I just doubted that it had resulted in a quadrupling of cases, as was initially claimed.

So you've no idea if it's true or not therefore you choose to believe it isn't true? Have you not read any first hand accounts of people being racially abused post referendum?

..that was in reply to MissAdventure.