The future if Boris gets in

If you want to know more about Boris Johnson, read what his former boss, former editor of The Telegraph, right-winger Max Hastings wrote -"I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister"

He concludes with a warning-

"We can scarcely strip the emperor’s clothes from a man who has built a career, or at least a lurid love life, out of strutting without them. The weekend stories of his domestic affairs are only an aperitif for his future as Britain’s leader. I have a hunch that Johnson will come to regret securing the prize for which he has struggled so long, because the experience of the premiership will lay bare his absolute unfitness for it.

If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message. If the price of Johnson proves to be Corbyn, blame will rest with the Conservative party, which is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people – who will not find it funny for long."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

The lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations of Boris Johnson and his government …

boris-johnson-lies.com/

Sorry for the link rather than a list - there's just too much of it for a quick summary.

jolbrook Johnson is a bit more than "a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh". He's a thoroughly nasty piece of a work, who knows how to use his image to cover up his lies.

Ah Dinahmo- nice to know a GN poster elsewhere encouraged you to join

Peter Oborne used to be the political editor of The Telegraph and has worked for the Daily Mail and Spectator. He voted to leave the EU and has been described as a "strong Brexiter", so hardly an "arch Remainer", as the spiteful sneer of a poster on here claims.

He changed his mind when he saw the effects Brexit would have on Ireland, but still identifies as a Conservative. He's advocating voting Labour because he thinks Johnson and Brexit are dangerous for the country.

when I joined GN, back in March I think, it was in response to a comment posted on a Guardian thread about the EU. The poster said they'd been on GN and had to leave when someone requested that posters should try to be nice to one another.

That comment intrigued me and so I joined up. At first the comments seemed to mirror the ideas of the older people who voted for Brexit. The majority of the posts that I have since read seem to come from people who have a similar view on politics as my own. I have gained information from some posts and I'd like to thank you.

Varian'spost about the UK's poorest regions is a good example and I wish that we had known about it sooner. Not that it would have made much difference I suspect.

Well said trisher

It was a Red who was instrumental in brokering the Good Friday agreement, iirc. Thank god for people like her who swallow the unpalatable in order to achieve the impossible.

Good post Trisher

jolbrook I do wonder what people who post things like you do imagine would have happened if entrenched attitudes like yours had been allowed to dominate our thinking. We would presumably still be suffering bombing and terrorism in N. Ireland (which if we exit the EU may return anyway). Acheiving peace means talking to everyone. Of course if you prefer to see people killed and murdered just so you don't have to talk to anyone whose views oppose yours then I suppose all of your posts about Corbyn may be regarded as negative. As it is what we see is a man who has always realised that peace and defeating terrorism can only be acheived through negotiation and not through more and more legislation. Interestingly as well during the Stop the War campaign he repeatedly warned that a war on Iraq would bring terrorism to our streets. Now there's something, a politician who looks at the consequences of a government's actions. Wouldn't that be good to see in power.
Then raise the scarlet standard high
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

France, Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden and Finland are all in the EU and, like us, have had to weather the global financial crisis since 2008.

So why has the UK done so badly compared to these countries?

How could re-electing the same party that has been responsible for the mess we're in, and want to take us out of the EU, ever make things any better?

However useful and honest such information may be it will, unfortunately, be written off as left-wing rubbish and fake news by those who are too blinkered and brainwashed to see the truth.

Coolioc posts " in another country, before you criticise. There is a lot wrong with the UK, but there is also a lot right with it too."

Yes of course we know there are third world countries and war zones which are worse that the UK, but check this out:-

"New research based on data from the European Union shows that the UK's poorest regions have fallen further behind the rest of Europe over the past decade.

The results show that the UK’s poorest regions are poorer than anywhere in France, Germany, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden or Finland. The relative performance of the UK’s poorest regions has also worsened over time.

The High Pay Centre's analysis of the EU data found that the number of UK regions with GDP per capita below 75 per cent of the EU average increased from three in 2008 to seven in 2017 (the most recent figures).

The seven regions – Southern Scotland; West Wales and the Valleys; Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly; Lincolnshire; Tees Valley and Durham; South Yorkshire; and Outer London – East and North East – are all poorer than anywhere else in North West Europe.

The number of regions below 90 per cent of the EU average has also risen from 18 to 23 since 2008. The EU uses the 75 per cent and 90 per cent thresholds for allocating funding to poorer regions, meaning that the UK could be eligible for increased funding if it remained in the EU.

The High Pay Centre's report concludes: "We have seen during the EU referendum campaign, the claim that UK was ‘shackled to a corpse’ as a result of EU membership. Yet this sense of superiority seems wildly misplaced. Large swathes of the UK can only dream of achieving the levels of economic activity and living standards of even the poorest parts of supposedly similar EU countries."

www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/29148

So it is hardly surprising that many of our brightest and best have already left the UK or, like half my family, will join the brexit brain drain to live in one of these other EU countries if brexit is not stopped.

It is the brexit sup;porters who are so unpatriotic that they don't care how much they damage they do to the UK as long as they can say "we won".

no jol- I have never been a Red, and never will be. You just don't get it or just don't want to get it.

What Peter Oborne says reflects the views of many of our good, intelligent, caring Conservative friends- who are ashamed of being represented by Johnson and the ERG and their pack of lies.

A lot of desperate Reds out there!

The lunatics have been running the asylum. This has been the worst election campaign ever, just lies and more lies. Even Peter Oborne can't vote Tory this time:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/11/boris-johnson-destroy-britain-conservative-revolutionary-sect

Apparently there are now more food banks than MacDonalds.

but this is exactly what the right wing press has been doing, day after day...

Imagine living in a country where the government of the last 10 years crushed the welfare system, increased the homeless, closed libraries, police stations, A and Es , vastly increased the national debt, charged nurses to train, got rid of youth and child services, wasted billions on vanity projects and buying votes from terrorist sympathisers, oversaw an increase in crime and prison numbers whilst getting rid of experienced prison and probation officers, and yet people ignored all that and just criticised the leader of the opposition.

No, Jura 2 who knows what the future will bring? Remainers and leavers can listen to arguments from both sides that’s the great thing about democracy, we are allowed to listen.

Brainwashing, no, sorry a derogatory term.

Maizie D and all others who put down the UK as not being great.

Live in another country, before you criticise. There is a lot wrong with the UK, but there is also a lot right with it too.

Brains - brainwashed.

??Spot on jo1book a real dilemma..

LOL Jolbrook, so tactical voters vote for the above and more of.

And, they say, Brexiteers have no brains.

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really ?‍♂

Well said SirChenjin

The future of Boris get is? More articles like this?
www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/10/number-of-europes-poorest-regions-in-uk-more-than-doubles?fbclid=IwAR3_tWulQbAcPZQ1q-fUFvIDptr7CM3DPCqmGjXUkdQmgAb87xKOH5Db6dc