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jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 15:29:51

We are at the amazing stage now, that if

Lib Dems in 17 Constituencies voted Labour

and

Labour voters in 12 Constituencies voted Lib Dem

we would be rid of Boris for good- as PM and MP too.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 23:07:12

Gypsy; as far as I'm concerned the election is about Brexit because nothing else in this country can be sorted until Brexit is. As for voting I know exactly what I'm going to do and why I'm doing it and I hope to god it brings about another referendum and people vote to remain. We've wasted 4 years over Brexit and, if it does go through that's just the beginning of many many years of negotiations during which time Scotland will probably leave the union and the troubles may return. And, what's your solution to the Irish problem?

Gypsy Mon 09-Dec-19 21:34:34

Oh. Postal votes. Thanks for that.

Labaik.. it's not like that though. The referendum vote was as a collective, it wasn't done as separate countries (or Crown Dependencies). It's the majority vote wins. The result was for leave... so that's what we should do. If people are going to vote tactically in the election... please be careful. It's not just about Brexit. It seems like it. We've heard of nothing else for the past century (feels like). But in actual fact there are other issues (as always) like health care, education etc etc.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 20:45:34

…..Jess Phillips is lovely, too. Loud and regional but it all comes from the heart and is sincere.

Urmstongran Mon 09-Dec-19 20:35:24

Or Jo Swinson! The SNP could easily swipe hers.

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 20:00:44

Well, that would be interesting Fennel!!

Fennel Mon 09-Dec-19 19:56:11

Another thing to hope for (though probably not going to happen) is that BJ will lose his seat. He only had a small majority last time.

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 19:52:35

Sorry, Overseas Territory!

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 19:51:29

Agreed varian- but the current situation is way beyond 'personalities'. In each Constituency we should vote tactically to ensure Tories are housted. Hold your nose if you have to.

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 19:50:26

It's a Crown Dependency
But fair point, Gibraltar has been ignored.

varian Mon 09-Dec-19 19:46:53

Labaik posted -"I was planning on voting tactically for Labour, and probably will still do so, but Angela Rayner [sp] was so nasty towards Jo Swinson in the debate the other night part of me just wants to vote LibDem in support."

I have to agree.

What is it about these Corbynista women that makes them so nasty?

I am not talking about Dianne Abbott, who with all due respect is "yesterday's woman", but about the younger Corbyn groupies - Angela Rayner, Laura Pidcock and ghe utterly ghastly Rebecca Long-Bailey who we are told is being lined up as Corbyn's successor?

They are all utterly appalling.

Please bring back Margaret Beckett, Harriet Harman and Yvette Cooper.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 19:42:55

Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar; Wales and England voted leave. ok you're going to say Gibraltar isn't a country but whatever it is they voted pretty unanimously and have been totally ignored. As have Ireland and Scotland.

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 19:28:21

I am rather confused Laibak
Which were the five countries and which were the three which voted to remain?

Are you including the dependencies?
They are not eligible to vote in a GE.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 19:26:06

Hetty, we did not vote for the Party, nor the person - but for a clear aim- to get a vote on our future, now we know a lot more about what the reality is.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 19:19:01

Yes, postal votes went 10 days ago.

Hetty58 Mon 09-Dec-19 19:11:43

Vote for the party and not for the person. Tactical voting wouldn't be necessary with proportional representation anyway. I can't wait to get it over with!

Urmstongran Mon 09-Dec-19 17:53:10

I think a lot of posters used a postal vote Gypsy.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 17:46:48

And three countries out of 5 voted to remain so where's the democracy in that. I do agree that it's been head bangingly stupid, though. Oh and, given that you think we should all just get on with it, what's your solution to the Irish problem? I mean it comes to something when even the DUP find the PM of this country untrustworthy....

Gypsy Mon 09-Dec-19 17:40:31

How have you all voted? Election isn't until Thursday! NO WAY should any government give in and have a second referendum. The public have spoken. Now time to get on with it. It's a joke. The whole thing has been so headbangingly stupid. I don't have a vote where I live, but I do have to abide by what happens. So please be sensible. Vote for who you believe in and stop all this tactical nonsense.

Gonegirl Mon 09-Dec-19 17:32:51

It'll all go tits up. Vote for the party you support.

Callistemon Mon 09-Dec-19 17:30:09

Even in a constituency like ours where all the other votes added together will not oust an MP standing for re-election, your vote should count.
It should make them think.

jura2 Mon 09-Dec-19 17:26:58

well yes, tempting. But honestly, at the moment there is only one priority - to stop Brexit and have a second vote. So... hold your nose, take a deep breath- and do what we all have to do. I/we have.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 17:26:15

I agree varian. Much as I've enjoyed watching Bercow over the past few years I think it's time the pantomime element of our parliament is done away with.

Labaik Mon 09-Dec-19 17:24:14

I was planning on voting tactically for Labour, and probably will still do so, but Angela Rayner [sp] was so nasty towards Jo Swinson in the debate the other night part of me just wants to vote LibDem in support....

varian Mon 09-Dec-19 16:37:35

You are right Greta. There should have been a second referendum rather than a general election, The LibDems in the last parliament voted for it 17 times but unfortunately neither the Tory or Labour Party would support it.

Ultimately, we must change our undemocratic First Past The Post voting system to some form of Proportional Representation, which most mature democracies use.

PR does give smaller parties and new parties a fair chance of being elected and, as it does often lead to coalitions, parties have to work together for the good of the country and not regard co-operation and compromise as dirty words.

The confrontational design of the HOC with two adversaries sitting three swords lengths apart is at least a hundred years out of date.

Since the building itself is no longer fit for purpose and requires £billions to be spent on renovation, surely it would be better to set up a Royal Commission to examine the whole question of our governance and perhaps just start again with an truly democratic electoral system and a new building?

MaizieD Mon 09-Dec-19 16:32:41

I expect the tactical voters get a great feeling that their vote actually does count. It's continually being on the 'losing' side that is discouraging and makes one feel one's vote is worthless.

We need PR. If it means hung parliaments and coalitions, so be it. At least it will represent what people really want and politicians will have to learn to work together and compromise.