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How can the Tories be proud of their leader? *Title edited by GNHQ*

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MawB Mon 09-Dec-19 18:12:51

So today Johnson refused to look at footage of a 4 year old boy being treated on the floor of a Leeds A&E, even pocketing the phone of the journalist trying to show it to him.

Where is this man’s common decency?
Where is his humanity?
When will he realise the buck stops with him ?

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 13:23:37

He didn't actually come in contact with the floor. He was on his coat. And the air would be the same. Probably more comfortable flat out.

varian Tue 10-Dec-19 13:28:47

Greta posts - "Surely the answer to the GP shortage is to train men rather than women."

Believe it or not, when I worked in a university in the 1960s , medical school admissions had a strict quota system -
75% men, 25% women!

JenniferEccles Tue 10-Dec-19 13:33:11

maddyone I would have absolutely no objection to female GPs if they worked full time like their male counterparts.

I remember reading a while back that the balance has now shifted from predominantly male to female GPs.
That’s the problem we now have.

Dinahmo Tue 10-Dec-19 14:13:56

Apparently the woman who supposedly said the boy on the floor incident was staged has claimed that her Facebook account has been hacked and she knew nothing about it.
(Guardian today)

trisher Tue 10-Dec-19 15:56:06

merlotgran many boys of 4 don't want to be held, they think it's babyish. If he had a high temperature he would be better off and stay cooler on the floor anyway.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:00:24

Reading Twitter, and that awful Allison Pearson woman, the boy was on a bed but another patient came in who needed the bed more. So the family was moved to a treatment room. It wasn't even the floor of A and E. hmm

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 16:05:57

yehbutnobut

I think many people think the same way as me, not sure why youn thinkthey do not.

Voted remain, vote Lib Dem
Pragmatic not hysterical
Know how bad the NHS could be under Labour and still can be under Welsh Labour. Acknowledging that it is no better in parts now.

Just wondering, amongst some of the outrageous posts I read on here, you think mine are worthy of your outrage.

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 16:08:30

GrandmaJan
Interesting post

Baggs Tue 10-Dec-19 16:19:53

Aw, shucks, gonegirl, don't go letting facts get in the way of a good rant mob ?

MaizieD Tue 10-Dec-19 16:36:19

It was a floor, Baggs, that is the essential bit. Does it really matter if it was the floor of A &E, or the floor of an A & E treatment room? It's all the same department.

This thread doesn't seem to have the link to the full Leeds Live story that was posted yesterday on another thread. It might be useful for people commenting on here to read:

www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/lgi-bosses-apologise-after-four-17385357

inkcog Tue 10-Dec-19 16:44:36

JE, you are not really pro creative ideas around parenting and working are you?

JenniferEccles Tue 10-Dec-19 16:44:43

Someone earlier on here said that the child was on a trolley after being treated but the mother laid him on the floor, took the picture then put him back on the trolley.

Then of course she would have decided which Left supporting newspaper to send it to.

The story sounded fishy to me as soon as I saw it on the news.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:48:19

In that picture in Leeds Live, the boy has definitely been told to look sorry for himself. grin

I think his treatment was ok. You can't expect everything to be first class for everyone every time. There is a new Children's hospital in the pipeline.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:49:37

I think I would have asked for a blanket to roll him up in.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 16:50:33

Surprised the nursing staff didn't think of that.

trisher Tue 10-Dec-19 16:52:56

*Gonegirl do you really think keeping a child of 4 in a room with no trolley or bed for 4+ hours and then on a trolley for 5+ hours is OK treatment? I wonder have you ever sat or waited in A&E for that length of time? I have and it's worrying and exhausting. Not to mention that a sick 4 year old should be in bed and not waiting for one.

maddyone Tue 10-Dec-19 16:53:11

Jennifer, why do you object to female GPs enjoying the same rights to work part time as any other women?
The answer is not to train or employ more male doctors, it is to train more doctors full stop.

inkcog Tue 10-Dec-19 16:59:49

www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/10/woman-says-account-hacked-to-post-fake-story-about-hospital-boy

Oh and how about part time male GP's ...are they acceptable.

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 17:00:55

Of course the long wait was totally unacceptable. It's not the wait that is being talked about here. hmm

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 17:01:01

Our male GPs are part-time too.
I thought that they could be sharing childcare with their OH.

Callistemon Tue 10-Dec-19 17:01:53

X post with inkcog

MaizieD Tue 10-Dec-19 17:04:23

Jennifer Eccles.

The true story is in the Leeds Live link that I posted.

Have a look at this twitter thread and see how the fake version was spread by multiple fake twitter and facebook accounts within hours of it being made public. Multiple accounts all posting with exactly the same wording, the lie that some of you appear to believe is the truth...

Dirty, very dirty...

twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1204183081009262592

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 17:04:49

No one can do miracles when the facilities aren't available, but I think he could have been made more comfortable where he was, and allowed to sleep. I don't see that a bed in itself is particularly necessary for a 4 year old whilst he is waiting to be seen. Why didn't they bring him a pillow and a warm covering?

Of course the time he had to wait is diabolical.

jura2 Tue 10-Dec-19 18:32:56

and still they go on excusing the inexcusable sad

Gonegirl Tue 10-Dec-19 18:34:55

I am making excuses for no one.