Dear Conservative Voters,

People who moved down south in their 20s and worked their butts off so that they could have nice things later on.

Theres a lot of pride when people from these areas do well and move back with nice lifestyles.

Bettering yourself and "selfishly" looking to better the next generation of your family is not considered a character flaw in these areas.

And clearly, they do not like being told theyre wrong!

notanan that is the nub of it I think - stopping Momentum and its stranglehold on the LP in its present form.

What helps young people in working class areas do well is seeing other people from their area do well. Not getting bones thrown from Westminster.

Sucess beyond having the basics isnt dirty and wrong

notanan2 That's what I was trying to say on another thread, but (being me), I was much more wordy .

I think Boris has said in his speeches that they must deliver and they will be judged on that. So we shall see.

In the end I think the conservatives were more politically astute than Labour and Lib Dems. They read the mood correctly that the public wanted an end to the Brexit wrangling and feared a Labour Labour Govt. The labour intellectuals too London centric. It is interesting that mant if the new Conservative MPs were local, not posh Eton types but teachers, health workers, teachers , local councillors
local business people who knew their area. It was part of the strategy when selecting them. It was successful.

Sometimes what people want is a far cry from what they need

Starblaze It seems you are suggesting that people can't tell the difference between what they want and what they need. That is the mistake Labour made.

I can assure you they can. What they need is for politicians to treat them with respect and not dictate to them.

And not treat them like fools too Beckett, did they really think the majority wouldn't see that what they were promising to spend would have bankrupted the country?

I think the idea that the Conservatives are somehow not London-centric is such a joke- Gove making a speech about the victory confused two Durham seats and announced that the Durham Miner's Gala would be held in a Conservative constituency. It won't it's still Labour. But hey it's Oop North so how are you expected to know.
The concept that Labour bancrupted the country has been so well sold, it was of course the bankers, and we bailed them out!!!
The Conservative MP who ousted Laura Piddock was not local. He lived 100 miles away, so not a local candidate at all. Nor is he a teacher, he was a political adviser.
What you realise then is that the Conservative victory was not only built on lies and misinformation but that several of the misapprehensions remain.

The concept that Labour bancrupted the country has been so well sold, it was of course the bankers, and we bailed them out!!!

It's not been "sold"
Non Labour voters are perfectly capable of reading policies first hand and are TIRED of being told by Corbynites that if they dont lile JC or Momentum they must be getting all their political ideas second hand.

Starblaze, do you mean to patronise?

Of course the Conservatives are London/south/wealth-centric.

However, I was looking up the background of the Conservative who won Redcar. He's 26, born in Middlesbrough (now living in Saltburn), went to a comp and worked in the chemicals industry as a process worker. What's not to like if you're an aspirational young person living in Redcar?

No I don't mean to patronise, it's often true and can be said of anyone. Do feel free to run with it though, I've learnt to tolerate having my words twisted to meet people's needs.

Basically people want Brexit but do they need it?

It's moot now anyway.

The majority has decided, I'm not one to run around shouting "Not my prime minister" because thats not logical. He is and I would like him to prove himself a good one preferably. So he will need holding to account.

No, Starblaze, the minority has decided, not the majority but in our corrupt democracy, the minority wins.

Oh, I thought London was mainly Labour - and again this time growstuff.

Varian, sorry, you are right, I'm trying to live with it. The crushing depression I felt Friday morning.

It seems exhausting being you today Starblaze you seem very agitated and a tad aggressive in my opinion.

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No varian the majority won the referendum and due to the nature of our political system when it comes to a GE, the majority have won again.

You wouldn't be going on about our 'corrupt democracy' if the Lib Dems had won would you?

Sour grapes IMO, I prefer my grapes to come in a glass of.

Really? How bizarre. Yes I go very formal when I am a bit stressed but I don't have any animosity to anyone and I'm definitely not anyone else.

So give it a rest eh?

I am usually the sort of person who tries to see the best in people and their motives for doing anything. It's very hard to do that when others go on the attack when I just want a conversation not a row.

It isn't very nice to be accused of being someone else is it.