Sensible discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls

Thank you Urmstongran

Not prosecuting the police officer who killed Ian Tomlinson?
shame on him. It was a brutal attack by a police officer who
had a record of suffering ‘red rage’

If I recall, the police officer involved was later charged - a year or two later perhaps? I’d have to look it up Annie.

I know all about Guido Fawkes, thanks, Ug. I should have guessed your rather dirty source...

But care to refute it though?
?

According to the BBC News in 2012, the police officer in the Tomlinson case was found not guilty. Later on it was disclosed that he'd been involved in some sort of road rage incident previously, but that information had not been disclosed to the jury. The police officer had retired after the road rage incident on medical grounds but then re-joined the Met some time later.

It was reported:

"The Met Police, meanwhile, said it was clear "insufficient recording and checks meant detailed information regarding the officer's misconduct history was not shared at key points".

Mr Tomlinson was said to be a heavy drinker and perhaps that was a contributory factor. However, I don't suppose being hit with a baton and pushed to the ground did his health much good either.

I voted for Boris because he promised Brexit. His was the only party that did. Other than that I reserve judgement.

However we DO need a credible opposition. I have voted Labour in the past.

But Corbyn, Corbynistas and Momentum people...

Hang your heads in shame for giving that election to the Tories on a plate.

You gave it to them on a plate, and betrayed all those children in poverty who you claimed to want to help.

All your exhausting and moralizing nonsense has achieved the square root of absolutely nada. You PRECISELY DID NOT win the debate - which is why you got hammered.

Labour members - please pick someone who might actually stand a chance of winning next time.

You need to appeal to voters in the centre who voted for Boris this time round.

How are you going to do that?

They want to see someone who shares THEIR values, as well as yours!

He was Urmstongran found not guilty, the Met paid his family an undisclosed sum and said Hardwood had used
excessive and and unlawful force.

There had been 10 complaints in 12 years against Harwood.

I should have guessed your rather dirty source...

Facts though, easily verified.

I had heard of one or two of these cases and thought that Starmer may have been in charge but perhaps other Public Prosecutors may have been the decision makers in these cases. However, the buck does stop at the top.

It does rather stack the odds against him, doesn't it as his judgement would seem to be impaired.

Pity.

So we will know the new labour leader 4th April.

I cannot recall a leadership contest like this one, no big guns,
why are the bank benchers silent? There are many with years
of experience, not one has come forward. Why ?

Have they accepted it will be rigged to get a Corbynite in ?

Something not right

I wonder if you could be right Anniebach.

Momentum have got a tight grip and they aren’t going to relinquish it any time soon.

I would like to see far more experience on the front bench; Benn, Kyle, Cooper. Great legislators who can actually put forward bills.

Rebecca Long Bailey has just made her announcement that she is running for leadership.

2 candidates from the shadow front bench, been MP’s for a short time.

Definitely something going on , the next leader will continue
in Corbyn’s shoes.

Rebecca Long-Bailey has placed herself firmly in "pole position" in the Labour Party leadership race. By stating that she will, if elected as leader, ensure that the Parliamentary Party remains firmly in the left-wing stance adopted by the whole movement in the last five years, she has ensured the support of the enormous majority of the movement's activists.

The foregoing will be essential if the Parliamentary Party is to remain as an integral sector of the broader Labour movement in the country, and in that, Long-Bailey obviously targeted lay activists, especially within the trade union movement, with her carefully selected words used in interviews while announcing her candidature.

Long-Bailey has stated exactly what a vast body within the Labour movement wanted so much to hear, and her words may well placate the "outrage" being demonstrated by many within the grassroots of the movement against the Parliamentary Labour Party and especially the behaviour of a number MPs in recent years on the right of the Labour Party in the House of Commons.

So, like very many, I now hope that Long-Bailey is firmly elected as Labour Party leader, and should any then once again attempt to undermine that leadership they will be very quickly be expelled from the party and wider movement.

Great pity Corbyn wasn’t expelled when he attempted to
undermine the party leaders .

Adopting a stance which has lost two elections doesn't sound like a winning formula to voters.

Agree growstuff.

Based on what I’ve read so far about the election from the likes of Rebecca Long Bailey - it wasn't an election disaster but an electorate disaster. The idiotic electorate didn't vote the way they were supposed to, and RLB will keep going until they do!

In regard to your post @15:55 today, the Labour Party will not have to concern itself with winning elections four at least the next four years.

In the above years, unbridled capitalism and deregulation will without doubt reign in Britain. Therefore for that period, it is imperative that the Labour Party maintain a stance of being a clear alternative to that deregulation and unbridled capitalism.

In the next two to three years the electorate will judge whether Brexit has been a success or failure for Britain. Therefore, the Labour party does not require to bring forward detailed policies to attract voters at this point in time, but just to have the electorate see by way of its stance that there is a clear alternative in Britain to unqualified capitalist thinking.

Also, as a member of the Liberal Democratic Party Growstuff, perhaps you could inform the forum what the Lib Dems are doing in the wake of their eleven seat triumph at the General Election to restore the party.

Urmstongran, with Brexit now definitely happening no one can know in what state the British economy will be in come the next general election in possibly five years time.

Therefore, and equally, no one can know what the British electorate may be prepared to accept or not accept at the next general election in four to five years time?

Having the Labour Party as a strong left-wing being alternative to what has taken place following Brexit could be an attractive stance to the electorate at that time.

Who knows?

A member of the Liberal Democratic Party has no need to
inform the forum anything on a thread about Labour Leadership, they are free to voice their opinions on the candidates for the labour leadership

Apolgies should be "left wing alternative" in my post above, not "left wing being alternative".

If Brexit led by Boris proves unpopular, you could be right Grandad1943 especially bearing in mind that only three Labour leaders since 1945 have won elections: Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson and Tony Blair.

All three were highly able political leaders, but all only won their first election after long periods of Conservative rule.

Anniebach I am just enquiring of a LibDem party member what is happening within that party in the wake of the general election. I am genuinely interested as we seem to have a Libdem member continually commenting on the state of the Labour party.

I also believe anniebach that earlier in this thread you stated that you would ignore all my posts into the future?

Urmstongran, in regard to the substance of your post @16:44, I wholeheartedly agree.

Once more hard left and hard right are as one on this forum, again proving the theory that the greatest radical minds think alike. ??

Then start a thread on the liberal party grandad43 and one
on unions whilst your at it.