Trump impeached after historic vote.

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It boils down to both parties calling the kettle black, both have a reputation of being shady and underhanded and both support maintaining shady as their status quo above and below the radar-

Trump ran as a Republican but even if he ran as a Democrat it wouldn't have mattered much- He did what no prior President had, he captured the attention of the impoverished, the forgotten vast expanse of individuals and families that former administrations allowed to fall through the cracks-

But the fact that he captured their attention kind of doesn't matter either- The booming economy doesn't even come close to trickling down to the middle no less to those on the bottom or further down than that, in cracks- It was no different with Obama- Both baited their supporters with hope then switched-

It is very good to read your posts rosecarmel as you can tell us a lot about the way US politics is seen from over there, rather than over hear.

I have heard it said that everyone accepts that The Republican majority will ensure that the impeachment charge is squashed, and as a result, paradoxically, the impeachment is likely to backfire on the Democrats and cost them votes. Do you think that's right?

varian, historically impeachment itself has never created an advantageous situation for any president- It will cost "him" votes even if squashed-

The purpose of the impeachment process itself is to protect and preserve the Constitution- It doesn't matter if the process costs Democrats votes as a result- Their collective decision as representatives to impeach was a duty that voters had "already elected" them to do-

But the President has not been impeached has he? Pelosi has refused to send the documentation forward because she knows it wont get through the Senate anyway. Now is that because Congress has been mendacious ( like our remainer Parliament)? Or is Trump actually guilty ..... we dont know because they wont send the papers through.

All this seems to me to be about is a smear campaign. The democrats like the remainers here ( both share an interest in left wing socialism and liberalism it seems) just want to stall the process and leave the President hanging without a proper trial. That needs to be said .

It reminds me of the chap I went to College with who was accused by a girlfriend of sexual assault. She reported it to the college authorities but refused to report it to the Police. The college authorities suspended the chap for three months and investigated but found no evidence However,because she refused to go to the police the chap could not properly clear his name and lived with the smear as long as our year group was in college.

Now some thought he was guilty as hell ( as someone said about Trump on this thread) others thought he was not guilty at all and the girl had made it up. She was a victim or a fantasist depending on which camp you were in. But the fact is that the girl could have gone to the police and had it properly investigated and had the chap been properly guilty he would have been charged and taken to court where a decision as to his guilt would have been made. In the instance that didnt happen - just as Pelosi wont send the papers to Senate.

I am pretty sure if the democrats really had evidence they would have been to the Senate quicker than a lightening bolt as it is they have little more than hearsay and accusation on which they have acted and made a decision he is in their biased eyes guilty ( because it was only the democrats who found in favour of impeachment).

This is the democrats using a system for their own ends and it is a misuse of the constitution. It stinks.

Nancy Pelosi is unable to move forward because Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell declared publicly that he is NOT impartial and that key witnesses will be blocked from testifying.

Democrats are not using the system to their own ends and many independents and Republicans support impeachment. (I am a registered Republican, by the way). Trump's remaining supporters can no longer defend his bad behavior, so they now attack the Impeachment process instead.

The articles describe unequivocal, questionable behavior that threatens our National Security. The mere appearance of such impropriety is always a matter for scrutiny. Under these circumstances, our elected representatives have a sworn duty to follow the Constitution and to proceed accordingly and that is what they are doing.

I do not agree with you Willa45 - and I know a lot of others who disagree with you too on that assessment of yours. You know as well as I do that Congress is democrat and they are still sour over having lost the election.

aprilrose you don’t have to ‘agree’ with willa it is a matter of public record that Mitch McConnell has said that. Also no one is ‘sour’ about losing the ejection, just disgusted with the moron in the White House.

Any half decent president wouldn’t be causing so much grief by his idiot tweets and behaviour. He is clearly certifiable.

And yes, he has been impeached. The next stage is the trial.

I know I am outnumbered here but I do know a little bit about how the USA works. I also have spent time there. I also know that in this forum the socialist liberal regressive agrenda is operational.

Its the same anti agenda you find about Boris and the Conservatives.

I like Trump. I like Boris. Both may seem buffoons but they have done much more for their countries than Obama did or May or Cameron or even Blair ( no forget Blair, he did a lot to destroy Britain).

Now take a sharp deep breath and lets disagree.

I also have noticed that the bitter losers are still bitter both sides of the Atlantic.

You can’t ‘know’ that much if you think he hasn’t been impeached

aprilrose can you explain what Trump has done to make the US better?

aprilrose The House has a Democrat majority but the Senate has a Republican majority, so you are mistaken to claim "You know as well as I do that Congress is democrat and they are still sour at having lost the election". Moreover, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote (by nearly 3 million), but the way the Electoral College was established skewed that.

Really aprilrose? My multi-ethnic family is half African American and I can assure you that not a single one of them thinks Trump is good in any way. Whereas, some of them were helped under Obama with educational programmes for preschoolers and also with affordable healthcare.

Now, they face even more racism than usual and lots of the programmes to support children and the vulnerable have been cancelled. Just as happened/is happening now in the UK under the Conservatives (this week they have voted to reduce council tax discounts for those on low incomes).

I think everyone here has the right to their opinion as long as it's done respectfully. It's perfectly all right to disagree but let's not make assumptions about the motives of others.

I've never felt like a loser much less be sour about it. Many of us, myself included have also been born and raised right here in the US, so it's safe to assume I know quite a bit more about what goes on here.

I've lived in the US (I don't now) BUT a lot of my extended family do. Racism is worse under Trump. The poor are becoming poorer, can't access healthcare, education standards are sliding.

This from my family who DO live there.

Aren't there more Democrats than Republicans in Congress overall?

Every president that faced impeachment did so for good reason regardless of party- I do understand how it can appear like sour grapes, because it is sour grapes to some degree .. but it's 99.9% duty-

I have a house in the USA. It belongs to my husband really - sorry. I dont have that kind of money!

The only place I see such strong anti Trump feeling is on sites like GN. The people I see and meet in the US are very different. Thats all I can say.

But of course, the views here on GN are very different to those I encounter daily concerning Brexit too. Only here ( with the exception of a few has been and thwarted politicians) do you hear negatives about Brexit.

I come here just to see how the minority are thinking. How they justify their often apauling ideas ( very often done as some sort of moral high ground of compassion - although the idea of compassion presented speaks to me of social control more often). It is is useful to know how your
" enemy" thinks of things at times.

aprilrose I have to disagree again with you, but then I suppose it depends on the circles you move in. The people I choose to meet tend to be educated to degree level or work in public services and hold strong views on human rights and compassion, the word you sneer at,

Firstly if you view others who have different opinions as the ‘enemy’ then that is disgraceful.

Secondly the idea that you use GN to see how the ‘minority’ (check your stats while you are at it) justify their ‘apauling’ [sic] ideas is laughable. You came on expecting others to agree and instead they pointed out your misconceptions.

I think you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

Trump's popularity ratings have gone through the roof. Unintended consequences.

Statistically 90% of all social media forums such as this one are remainer and liberal progressive in terms of those who post to them. This one is no different - read and make note if you dont believe me.

I do see you as the enemy to be honest. I find that if you do not agree in general with the big voices here you get attacked in all sorts of ways - they are personal attacks too.

Thats leaving aside the R and B comments that always seem to be the first go to of those with little real argument for their views.

I have even seen some posters ( not of my persuasions) go to the lengths of getting posters banned by making multiple complaints . If that isn't a refusal to accept other points of view I do not know what is. Its hardly friendly.

I am happy to agree to disagree . I just make my own points. Lets face it neither of us is going to convince the other are we?

"Statistically 90% of all social media forums such as this one are remainer and liberal progressive in terms of those who post to them"

Really *aprilrose"????

Where does that statistic come from? (please don't say you read it in the Daily Express) A link to an authoritative survey would be interesting to see.

Posters are banned for the way they disagree far, far more often than because they have a different opinio. In fact I don't think I have ever seen a post that was banned for the honest opinion that was expressed.

However, I have read some (subsequently deleted) ones that would make your hair curl with sheer ignorance and prejudice, and would have put the posters into illegality had they been face-to-face and not anonymous. (I suspect that some were there just because the poster was anonymous and thought they could say whatever they liked, then sit back to enjoy the disgust)

There are none like that on this thread, just opposing views on the current POTUS.

The USA is a vast continent, whose inhabitants range in wealth from billionaires to down-and-outs, and who vary from one another in many other respects too. The conditions, experiences and views of one persons own circle of friends is not necessarily the same as those of a different person, living in a different area among people of a different social, genetic and fiscal class.

Lilyflower in the spirit of the season OH NO THEY HAVEN’T!

This was today’s popularity rating. In case you can’t read it the top line (Orange) is disapproval.

Trump himself has said his popularity ratings are the highest ever! ??? which might be where you got your misinformation.

I think it's an unfortunate circumstance but not a witch hunt- The impeachment process itself has nothing to do with crusades against a president for his beliefs or opinions, spoken or tweeted written-

That's not to say there isn't a witch hunt in the works but it's separate from the impeachment process itself-

As far as his popularity is concerned, he has strong support from folks that previously went unnoticed by past administrations- Obama's most recently These folks may not show up in popularity polls but do show up at his campaign rallies and more importantly cast their vote come election day- Even if all he gives these people is nothing more than lip service it's better than being ignored-

Currently, he doesn't have enough going against him to lose the next election- oddly enough But that could change drastically with Obama care on the chopping block- Lip service vs healthcare, it wouldn't be a tough decision for many..