Danger man Trump strikes again

Chewbacca ''Nuclear Disarmament jura? <sigh>''

sigh, if you wish, CND is very well informed - and yes, they tried and failed in their original aim- to stop nuclear arms prolification to all and sundry - especially in unstable regions. And they are proving to be right- prolifieration is now putting us in massive danger- as clearly illustrated currently. Would you deny this?

I can't be bothered to enter into a discussion with you about nuclear disarmament at the moment jura. At this point in time, it's neither relevant nor appropriate.

jura2
Tomahawk missiles. The very reason why Iran won't do anything. The same reason Russia backed off in the 80s because they knew what we had onboard.

My post was not about nuclear disarmament- but about the dangers about nuclear proliferation- into the hands of many unstable leaders- Trump being just one of them. So far, it has 'worked' ... and then ? Sigh if you wish - some of us are really concerned for our families and grandchildren- and those of others all around the world.

Early large nuclear bombs relied on the concept of total mutual destruction. The proliferation of those smaller 'useable' bombs- eg targetted at specific areas with damage geographically limited (providing all goes well and the wind isn't blowing too hard, and none falls into water, and etc, etc, etc.) - means that mad men out there, like Trump, and like Putin, like some in the Middle East - will think- ah, just a few little ones, that will 'teach them' ...

And we all know what the next stage could be... it only needs one other mad man- and there are plenty around. Call it hysterical, sigh - your prerogative.

Do people realise that the military now talk about 'limited nuclear war'? This is worth reading:

www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/10/19/17873822/nuclear-war-weapons-bombs-how-kill

And given what we are seeing in Australia, especially how firestorms behave, it is worth considering that a 'limited nuclear war' might not only cause a nuclear winter, killing millions and devastating the environment but just possibly the scenario in Australia would occur here and in the rest of Europe.

Again, something serious to read:
www.wired.com/story/even-a-small-nuclear-war-could-trigger-a-global-apocalypse/

There is too much complacency by far. This is not hysteria. But then it has been proven that people no longer wish to listen to experts!

Some of these posts remind me of something I once heard

If you are not prepared to stand behind our troops - feel free to stand in front of them

Do feel free to post patriotic bullshit WN

It's not a question of not supporting the troops themselves. I don't think anybody doubts they'll do as they're told and will do the very best they can. It's the lunatics who put them in the situation in the first place who should stand before them in battle.

What is wrong with being patriotic?

Best, and most effective, way forward for Iran is wage a cyberwar. Paralyse the US through its banking systems, energy companies, internet, etc. Trumps moronic supporters will soon turn against him when the lights go out and their money dries up.

Much preferable to the nuclear option methinks.

Patriotism is the last resort of scoundrels.

''It's not a question of not supporting the troops themselves. I don't think anybody doubts they'll do as they're told and will do the very best they can. It's the lunatics who put them in the situation in the first place who should stand before them in battle.'' agreed

however, in a nuclear war, it does not really matter if you are behind or in front ...

"a freedom without love or charity or duty or patriotism, is unworthy of our founding ideals, and those who died in their defense" Barak Obama

WadesNan humans have a tendency, genetic unless overcome by civilisation and education, to be tribal. Football or country it’s all one and the same. Love and charity don’t come into it when the blood lust and hatred are in the ascent.

True jura. I was speaking metaphorically.

Sadly nothing metaphorical in the current situation ...

nuclear MAD has worked for some time- it will stop working because of MAD men

Patriotism is love and attachment to ones country, it isn’t blind obedience.
I must be patriotic then. I love this country where I was born. I’m well aware our history confirms it has never been perfect.
Granngravy - I don’t see anything wrong in loving our country, we don’t do so “right or wrong”

I cannot understand why it is ok to be a proud Scot, Irishman or Welshman and fly your flags , but in some circles to be a proud Englishman and fly the English flag is wrong and immediately associated with the BNP.

I am English and British and have no problem saying that I am patriotic:

Iran is a pirate state, pretty much everyone in the West agrees on that. We just don’t know how to deal with it, we never have, and relations have vacillated between cold war and military escalation ever since the fanatics came to power in 1979.

Trump does not want to be a Bush, he also refuses to be a Carter or an Obama – that he will leave the Middle East covered in a web of red lines. When the Iranians decided they were free to cross them, they misjudged the President badly.

and then ...?

I’m English and British and I’m both glad and relieved to be such. There are many countries in the world where I would hate to live. We have freedom, democracy, the NHS, clean water and enough food, there are so many reasons to be patriotic. Our armed forces are amongst the best in the world. There can always be improvement in all things, and that has been discussed many times on different threads on Gransnet, but overall we live in a wonderful country.
Our leaders from all parties have been reasonably restrained, we do not have a Trump, Putin, or Hassan Rouhani in charge now, nor have we ever had such a person as our Prime Minister. And at the moment Trump is posing a terrible threat to us all.

There are many countries where I would hate to live, I won’t name them as that might be regarded as racist and my comment removed, but there are countries where there is no freedom of speech, and few if any human rights, and where a site such as Gransnet, with its huge range of topics discussed, including many political ones, and forthright views expressed, would be illegal and lead to many of us being arrested for daring to express our own views. It’s worth remembering that.

growstuff there is help to obtain housing through the MOD (the JSHAO) and also STOLL and Haig Housing but there are many ther charities offering help to them specifically.
If PTSD is the problem then priority housing could be arranged too.

If, of course, they have the ability to access help and don't just disappear off the radar.

I think the transition from service to civilian life can be very difficult, even with the help of a supportive family.