Well done Lawrence Fox!

Doodle and trisher I admire your willingness to try and have a sensible, meaningful discussion on racism on GN. Doomed to failure as you well know.

Unless you actually know any of the Fox family and their views on racism trisher all you are doing is displaying inverted snobbery. Learn more about the person before you unfairly judge them.

Kalu I think Lawrence Fox's views on racism are actually what are being discussed and I can only base my opinion on the rubbish he spouts. I can then speculate what has caused him to hold those views. But if you have proof that black studies is taught at Harrow or that LF has participated in any sort of education couse about white imperialism I will reconsider.

If we arent allowed to speculate about people the whole of gransnet will grind to a halt.

trisher - is that remark "Harrowist"?! This pc nonsense and "ists" is completely out of hand. Why can't we be accepting of other ideas and cultures and not see insults everywhere.

Meghan's colour never even occurred to me. Its her behaviour that doesn't impress me.

Interesting how two people can see the same thing in totally different ways Doodledog. Yes he interrupted her, called her out on her own racist comment calling him a 'privileged white man' and puts his head down in despair. I saw nothing nasty in him at all in the face of her rudeness. IMO.

Had he said something like "I don't believe it's racism" or "I disagree with you" he might perhaps have been permitted his views. He doesn't. He insists it's NOT racism and keeps sayiing that, speaking over her. He then accuses her of racism because she points out that he will never have experienced discrimination, which is of course true. Whatever is being discussed it is rude and impolite to completely contradict and speak over someone.

I have just trawled through his twitter feed, he is very much a one trick pony, some of it is vaguely amusing but he doesnt really have much of interest to say.

How does she know he has never experienced discrimination?

because she points out that he will never have experienced discrimination, which is of course true

Bit of an assumption I'd have thought trisher

Oh come on KatyK let's at least try to keep things real and not venture out into the world of fantasy. Rich white males suffer discrimination all the time!!!

Yes I agree *trisher he came across as very rude and condescending.

Actors are judged and discriminated against all the time. It's part of the audition process. I'm sure he's failed to get lots of roles over the years. I suspect he might have a pretty frail ego underneath the bluster. I sensed complete exasperation in his responses.

Well there are different forms of discrimination. Just saying. Racism is horrible. We suffered it as the children of poor Irish immigrants. They had to deal with 'No blacks, no dogs, no Irish' etc. We lived in poverty, were called names and watched the street parties for the Coronation through our window as we weren't invited. Someone looking at me now might say I'm white and privileged. I'm not. At the same time it's obvious that Fox's background was very different to that.

he might perhaps have been permitted his views

permitted!

What?!?!

So he's not allowed to have an opinion without permission from someone else? That's so weird, so authoritarian, so .... well, it leaves me speechless. Who are you that you get to decide whether someone else's view is permitted?

"They seek to murder your opinion". Lyric from the LF song to which I referred earlier.

Well i don't know about discrimination but I do know about inverted snobbery and that's a form of prejudice. LF made avery valid point and I didn't see rudeness I too saw exasperation. I think a lot of people are feeling that now.

I knew nothing of Fox's background until I read this thread (no, I didn't look him up after enjoying that song; I just enjoyed the song) so it clearly isn't obvious at all.

Apologies. Obvious to those who know his background.

Thanks.

I also don't think it's obvious that someone who hasn't experienced racism doesn't know what it is. It isn't even a fact. You don't have to have experienced something yourself to understand what it is. So the woman's premise on that score doesn't hold water.

You can know what it is, but not what it feels like.

This has nothing to do with inverted snobbery. My comments were about LF's attitude and total lack of respect for the views of others. I wouldn't like to be on the wrong side of him, to be honest.

As someone who is proud to say that he is a right-wing brexit supporter he is not high on my list of popular slebs!
As an actor his work is fine!
Not liking the carefully-cultivated scruffy look he has displayed recently but didn't see him on QT.

Is saying "It's not racism" over and over making a valid point?

Indeed Washerwoman. Discrimination and prejudice plus labelling someone simply by their schooling, accent and background, stated above is, inverted snobbery

I thought the woman in the audience rude to cut him down, telling him he would never understand racism because, being a white privileged male, he wouldn’t understand racism

I was exasperated too with such a ridiculous comment.

Kalu, did you see QT, or the link I posted above?

The woman did not cut down LF, she was trying to make a point when he talked over her, contradicted her and banged his head on the table.

I couldn't care less about his accent or background. I would think he was an ill-mannered boor wherever he came from and however he pronounced his words.