Well done Lawrence Fox!

Yes LF did have a bad attitude but his points were valid, it’s a shame he didn’t make them in the best way. The woman in the audience had an equally bad attitude and so did Baroness Chakrabati, every time I see her she seems to have a permanent scowl and a huge chip on her shoulder if people don’t share her opinions.

Liking or disliking Laurence Fox is not the issue, he has as much right as anyone else on the show to comment, he was invited onto the show to comment!
The woman in the audience wasn’t just a random person with a question.Look it up.
Well said Baggs ??

Well said Opal

Please don’t ‘give up’ on my account.

Conversation allows for differing opinions No?

Sorry - last comment was to Kalu, and the previous to Opal.

Well, if you say that's how it stands, there's an end to the matter. .

Agreed about his opinion on Starmer - that is up to him and gender is irrelevant. We cross posted.

I am not in the habit of giving an opinion on something I have not witnessed, nor did I require your link thank you Doodledog

We obviously have differing opinions regarding ours views on what we took from the interaction between LF and the lady in the audience.

I completely understood why he was so exasperated and banged his head down and that’s where it stands.

But he didn't give her the chance to make her point. She started saying something, he interrupted, she pointed out that as a white man he couldn't know how a black woman would feel, he interrupted again, and we never did hear what she wanted to say.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwH6qHyAO8

I give up.

And whilst I think of it, typical of Chakrabarti for questioning LF when he didn't name one of the women candidates as his preference for the next leader of the Labour party. Surely everyone is entitled to their opinion? Maybe LF thinks Starmer is the best candidate because of his policies, and not because of his gender?

If someone indicated that I was white and privileged and therefore racist, I'd interrupt them, contradict them and probably bang my head on the table too! Her comments WERE racist, she is mis-judging him for being white, in just the same way as certain black people may claim they are mis-judged for being black. There is no difference, racism is racism in any form and from either "side" of the colour divide. Good on LF for calling her out on it, why should he tolerate her prejudice anymore than anyone else?

Kalu, did you see QT, or the link I posted above?

The woman did not cut down LF, she was trying to make a point when he talked over her, contradicted her and banged his head on the table.

I couldn't care less about his accent or background. I would think he was an ill-mannered boor wherever he came from and however he pronounced his words.

Indeed Washerwoman. Discrimination and prejudice plus labelling someone simply by their schooling, accent and background, stated above is, inverted snobbery

I thought the woman in the audience rude to cut him down, telling him he would never understand racism because, being a white privileged male, he wouldn’t understand racism

I was exasperated too with such a ridiculous comment.

Is saying "It's not racism" over and over making a valid point?

As someone who is proud to say that he is a right-wing brexit supporter he is not high on my list of popular slebs!
As an actor his work is fine!
Not liking the carefully-cultivated scruffy look he has displayed recently but didn't see him on QT.

You can know what it is, but not what it feels like.

This has nothing to do with inverted snobbery. My comments were about LF's attitude and total lack of respect for the views of others. I wouldn't like to be on the wrong side of him, to be honest.

Thanks.

I also don't think it's obvious that someone who hasn't experienced racism doesn't know what it is. It isn't even a fact. You don't have to have experienced something yourself to understand what it is. So the woman's premise on that score doesn't hold water.

Apologies. Obvious to those who know his background.

I knew nothing of Fox's background until I read this thread (no, I didn't look him up after enjoying that song; I just enjoyed the song) so it clearly isn't obvious at all.

Well i don't know about discrimination but I do know about inverted snobbery and that's a form of prejudice. LF made avery valid point and I didn't see rudeness I too saw exasperation. I think a lot of people are feeling that now.

he might perhaps have been permitted his views

permitted!

What?!?!

So he's not allowed to have an opinion without permission from someone else? That's so weird, so authoritarian, so .... well, it leaves me speechless. Who are you that you get to decide whether someone else's view is permitted?

"They seek to murder your opinion". Lyric from the LF song to which I referred earlier.

Well there are different forms of discrimination. Just saying. Racism is horrible. We suffered it as the children of poor Irish immigrants. They had to deal with 'No blacks, no dogs, no Irish' etc. We lived in poverty, were called names and watched the street parties for the Coronation through our window as we weren't invited. Someone looking at me now might say I'm white and privileged. I'm not. At the same time it's obvious that Fox's background was very different to that.

Actors are judged and discriminated against all the time. It's part of the audition process. I'm sure he's failed to get lots of roles over the years. I suspect he might have a pretty frail ego underneath the bluster. I sensed complete exasperation in his responses.

Yes I agree *trisher he came across as very rude and condescending.

Oh come on KatyK let's at least try to keep things real and not venture out into the world of fantasy. Rich white males suffer discrimination all the time!!!