Harry & Megan drop HRH Titles

It now appears talks have been going on for many months. They've only been married for twenty months so the ink could hardly have been dry on the marriage certificate before they decided to plan their departure.

He has left for Canada, he must have missed his son

Just read your post to DH MawB ,and he and I agree with you. Very well put.

I agree MawB

I think H&M were quietly confident that their half in, half out new Royal life would be accepted by the Palace and the family. I suspect it’s been a huge shock how it has actually panned out, particularly to Harry. I think he is gutted to have lost his military connections, but is having to take it on the chin.

The Queen has spoken graciously and affectionately about the Sussexes, but the door has been left ajar, not closed completely, if ever they ( or Harry especially) change their minds about this brave new celebrity world.

But Maw he didn’t want out, he wanted the freedom to be in
and out , big difference.

Well said, MawB, you have it absolutely spot on!

I think Buckingham Palace have played a blinder.
Instead of pleading with Harry to put duty first and stay or fudge the issue with some half baked scheme which no way did it look as if Meghan was going to accept, , basically they have just said “You want out? Fine, there’s the door”
If Meghan had been half prepared for a compromise, don’t you think she would have stayed for the discussions? Or left some clothes here? Or brought Archie to see his great granny?
So I think the Palace have simply called their bluff and said “Fine, do it your way”
It just reminds me of someone threatening to resign and being
politely directed to the door!

Of course Prince Charles is still going to bankroll them - do H and M have no shame? Living off the Bank of Dad in your late thirties?
The family dynamic saddens me, but more and more I think Harry has wanted out for some time and Meghan has been the catalyst.
Whether it will make him happy is another matter

Luckygirl I was thinking a bit about your comments about how Charles was brought up and while a part of me agrees with you, another part thinks, well those were different times and parenting was done differently. I've been around long enough to understand that I was brought up differently to the way my children were brought up, and my grandchildren again are being brought up in a very different world. We have to see things in context. What has impressed me is the Queen's public show of support for her son and her grandson and his wife. She is amazing, gets on with the job without really giving anything away about her personal feelings.

Ah - I did not know that - thanks for putting me right!

Luckygirl apparently, if you are wealthy or even reasonably well off, it imbues you with a protective shield so that you do not suffer mental anguish, physical pain or illness like poorer people.

Apparently

Gosh - well I got it in the neck asking that people might just be kind and leave these two alone.

Their normality is different from most people's - that does not mean they do not have feelings.

pinkquartz - What if you knew about other people's lives....real problems, real suffering. Oh I know about this.....I spent 30 years of my career as a social worker - I saw the misery and poverty in which so many people live. It taught me that we are all the same under the skin - that we are all; fellow human beings in need of kindness and not judgement. I am also watching my OH die slowly and miserably, so I think that qualifies as a real problem.

I do not subscribe to the idea of rating people's suffering and therefore recognise that someone can be both sad and materially blessed - they are still deserving of human kindness. They certainly do not deserve vitriol.

I just feel sad for all concerned. I do not think there are any winners here.

should say, I always feel.

I’ve always feel that extremes are difficult, whichever end of the line you are. At the one end, you have poor, under privileged people with no hope for the future, funded by the state. At the other end, you have rich, over privileged people with no hope for the future, funded by the state. They’re all miserable. At least the poor end has something to strive for. The other end is just doomed.

Luckygirl'
just a young family trying to find their way in the world against inhuman odds.'
Not young and not inhuman odds.

'subjected to pressure that no-one could handle'.
No-one? Really? Think of all the dirt that is dished out to politicians of every persuasion and colour; minute scrutiny of every aspect of their lives, plus a huge workload and ultimate responsibility. No-one asks how they are feeling.

' Their every tiny move is scrutinised and torn apart by the whole world.
As above. Did you know what they were doing in Canada during their sabbatical?
Did you even know they were in Canada?

The gutter press has a lot to answer for; and I am appalled at the failure of human decency and a British sense of fair play.
The press reports events and comments on them, with the names of the journalists appended. Twitter is the gutter, anonymous and unaccountable. Do you subscribe?

His speech yesterday was a tantrum, ‘ I said what I wanted and it’s not fair I can’t have it all’.

Meghan might wish to call herself as a woman of colour, and their sister, but as far as those African women were concerned, she probably looked like a white, very privileged woman to them.
Let’s not forget, Meghan is mixed race, that means black and white.

JenniferEccles
Re: African tour
Racism is widely reported as being an issue where Meghans popularity was concerned
Was it not Meghan herself during the African Tour who raised up the subject of her colour in a speech where her words and I quote were 'I am your sister and a woman of colour'?Was this comment necessary ?

I can’t believe they are called ‘a young couple’ , 35 and 38 isn’t
old , but young !

I still cannot believe people think that M&H have a tough time of it.

What if you knew about other people's lives....real problems, real suffering.

Those girls who were raped and abused in the northern cities their lives were tough.

I hope the future doesn’t lie in them choosing to feather their
own nests but complaining they can’t have things their own way
regardless.

I don't think many want to acknowledge that the monarchy, as we know it, is on its last wobbly legs, and once the queen goes it will be forced to modernise and slim down, or decline.
Meghan and Harry's actions are merely a hint of where the future lies.

Luckygirl

‘normal life’
Lord, give me strength, on WHAT level are H+M ever going to lead a normal life?

Luckygirl,

You describe H+M as ‘....a young family trying to find their way in the world....’
Firstly, at 35 and 38 they are not particularly young, but in any case, as Grandad rightly points out, how much more difficult would life be for them if they were dealing with poverty, unemployment (actually they are unemployed currently but not suffering because of it) illness, disability, homelessness, etc.

Well amazingly, I agree with the sentiment expressed by Grandad43, though perhaps the wording was somewhat harsh. I have always liked Harry, was pleased for him when he apparently found himself a beautiful and confident wife who has given him his adored baby son.
However, as Grandad says, Harry is wrongly using charity events and royal tours to talk about himself rather than the charity/tour. This is not appropriate for anyone to do if they are a patron of a charity or working on behalf of the Queen.
I certainly wouldn’t call H+M misfits, not a very nice description. But it’s what Grandad thinks and he’s allowed his opinion. Far too many posters on the H+M threads have resorted to insults against those posters they disagree with, rather than allowing others their own opinions.