Coronavirus Testing

Taking travellers temperatures at airports and stations will not help if this report is accurate.

But people do still attemp to travel when actively unwell, and it is worth identifying and stopping those people even if other non syptomatic people still go through.

Just because it doesnt identify everybody who is a risk its still worth doing.

Thank you Opal, It was quite upsetting to have such an accusation made, albeit in obique way.

I'm pretty sure the subject of the Americans and the harmful effects of "fast food" have been discussed before now. If so, is that done to malign American people in their entirety, or to say that "some" have a diet that's not conducive to the well being of those that indulge in that way. I can't help thinking if such a topic were to be brought up now it wouldn't be complained about on the grounds of "generalisations".

British food production/consumption habits contributed to CJD and is why Brits cant give blood abroad so lets not cast the first stone.

I'm not casting stones notanan quite accept your statement about CJD, I'm sure you could find all sorts of unacceptable practices around food that pertain to pretty much everywhere. However, this is a thread about "Coronavirus" and China.

The bat soup video vlogger/blogger deleted her post- I don't know why-

Thus far the 3 confirmed cases in the US occurred close to the designated airports where incoming flights from China have been rerouted to- Seattle, San Fran, Chicago, NY and Atlanta-

The CDC indicates at their website that the likelihood of an outbreak in the US is low-

If it happened, it would occur during a winter when 2 different flu strains are already circulating- And the flu shots administered only work for 1-

Terribull had your post been reported?

Yes notanan- and we have learnt from it- and tightened the regs on feeds, with the EU. It took many many years before the EU agreed to buy our beef afterwards, because of it. And we still cannot give blood in the EU and EEA because of it.

And this is why we MUST NOT drop standards on animal feeds, husbandry, antibiotics and hormones, and vile live transport now beyond the EU, to Saudi Arabia, etc- days and week on ships without restraints- animals falling and breaking legs, dying and left to rot in their own sick, urine and sh*t...

And why the EU is perfectly reasonable in insisting there are strict checks between NI and UK, or NI and EU - because they do not want this dangerous and cruel entering the EU and their food chains- and being in competition with meat and goods produced more expensively due to higher standards and workers' rights.

Point is viruses do and will prevail in all kinds of cultures. They'll always be one step ahead of us. Its not the people or cultures fault if that is where the latest one has hit.

Nature naturally culls itself. Species dominance is unhealthy. Its doing its thing. Its not any peoples fault.

Blaming China is peoples way of convincing themselves that that couldnt happen here (us being the eipcentre of an outbreak)

But theyre kidding themselves.

Is it a coincidence that the outbreak emerged in the city where there is a Biochemical Laboratory specialising in virus control including Coronavirus?

Terribull having your thread pulled was an over-reaction imo as there was nothing that could have been considered racist in commenting on the diet of different nations and questioning whether or not certain foodstuffs could contribute to disease.

As notanan says, regarding the British and CJD, the British are still not allowed to donate blood in some countries so would commenting on that be considered racist?
I think not.

GrannyGravy13
I hadn't heard that.
Now that is very interesting indeed.

*Point is viruses do and will prevail in all kinds of cultures. They'll always be one step ahead of us. Its not the people or cultures fault if that is where the latest one has hit^

Has anyone suggested this? But when there is a fact based evidence that a certain type of virus is more likely to appear in one geographical area than in another, surely it makes sense to investigate why this is, so that the vector can be found and measures introduced to eliminate or mitigate it.

Blaming China is peoples way of convincing themselves that that couldnt happen here (us being the eipcentre of an outbreak) Iam not aware of anyone doing this either. Surely the fact that this thread is here is because we are all too aware that viruses of this kind have always spread like wildfire around the world, whether it is the Black Death, The Spanish flu of 1917-20 or the SARS outbreak about 10 years ago.

However, to try and control these diseases it is essential that all countries cooperate and share information and while the Chinese appear to have reacted rapidly and dramatically to the disease, there now some reason to believe that perhaps they have not been as open about the spread of the disease as we first thought.

No-one is blaming China.

This virus has been identified as originating in China.
That is a fact.

Good to know, rosecarmel. I will check the CDC site, as well. I was in bed not feeling too well, yesterday, after getting my flu shot. Apparently, I am in the 2% of people whose immune system overreacts - fever, chills, etc. Frustrated that the shot only covers the one flu. I got one for pneumonia last year that is supposed to be good for a few years but now there's a second one for other strains. I guess I should be grateful that we have access to such things.

Last night I read that they may give out a coronavirus vaccine after just one successful trial, once it's developed.

I saw an article about that facility, too, GrannyGravy13. I also read that they thought that eating snake may have been the precipitating event, though there seem to be several animals suspected, as well.

Are we REALLY unaware that sometimes it isn't WHAT someone says, it is HOW they say it?

There is a fair amount of racism on this site. Sometimes GNHQ picks up on it, sometimes they don't. I suspect that without the policing of the site management that some posters would be a hell of a lot more offensive than they already are.

But the racist commenters are not helped by others reassuring them that their comments were inoffensive.

notanan2 Sun 26-Jan-20 14:39:54
Blaming China is peoples way of convincing themselves that that couldnt happen here (us being the eipcentre of an outbreak)

But theyre kidding themselves.

Yes, notanan2, this is a well recognised process called 'othering'. People from different cultures are othered in order to reassure those that are speaking that THOSE things could never happen here, because we are civilized.

But no-one on here is 'othering' and no one has suggested such things that those things counld not happen here because we are civilised.

In fact everyone on this thread to date is only too aware how international every new illness is and we could have this disease here - if we do not already have it and also worry that draconian though such measures are, the Chinese approach in quarantening whole cities and provinces will hopefully be effective, but is something our government would be too scared to do.

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I don't believe that for a minute - scaremongering and alarmist.

No-one here is othering because the fact is that this particular virus originated in China.

Is that a new buzzword?

I don't think that will happen craftyone as more cities are going into to lockdown.
I doubt they would get better care here - we are not able to put up a new 1,000 bed hospital and staff it in the UK in 10 days!

"Othering" is such a generalisation. The fact that the Chinese will eat "almost anything" a well documentated fact is highly understandable. In the not too distant past, something in the region of 45 million Chinese died of starvation under one of the harshest communist regimes known to man, I imagine that could well explain the fact that what some Chinese are still prepared to eat is possibly a hangover from those desperate times. The masses living under communist dictatorships usually end up half starved and methods of survival would be the same anywhere, wherever such an ideaolgy becomes a reality.

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