INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Happy to read Humphries' article if someone will provide a link

Grandad1943: Well, it would seem there is not going to be any great celebration in Parliament Square tomorrow night as it all seems to have fallen rather flat. Link to this "lacklustre party" can be found here:-....
Sorry to disappoint you Grandad1943 but it looked like a pretty lively party to me! Wish I could have been there. No party poopers in this picture.

I think this is a better explanation than John Humphrey’s article journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168018773964

It’s the link with populism that horrifies and scares me.

Why do Brexit post become so aggressive?

Because there are a good many posters who are very upset about leaving the EU and who know that the stuff spouted by the likes of John Humphries and parroted by Leavers on this forum is just airy fairy meaningless nonsense. Nothing in the least bit factual or relevant to the 21st century.

When asked to explain how, for example, the EU has suffocated entrepreneurial enterprise, no-one seems able to answer with any concrete examples. This is not enough to convince Remainers that there is any benefit to leaving the EU with all the associated distress to people whose lives and livelihoods have been adversely affected by Brexit, who are uspset about the UK's loss of status, and the prospect of years of recovery from a divorce that was not of their choosing.

Don't expect any diminution of 'aggression' now that you Leavers, erroneously, think that Brexit is 'done'.

Urmstongran
I've just finished reading that article. He completely sums it up. I know a lot of remainers don't read the daily mail but it's worth a read. It might help you to understand why/how we voted as we did because obviously we haven't been able to on GN.

Like the OP, Lyndiloo, I am glad that the democratic will of the people has been carried out, and we have left the EU.

In my opinion, we will thrive and prosper as an independent country, securing our own borders and making our own rules.

We have always been a pioneering nation, inventive and creative, and some of this entrepreneurial enterprise has been suffocated by bloated EU bureaucracy.

Why do Brexit post become so aggressive?

‘Excellent article & DM’ it is well written by John Humphrys!

To be fair, we all thought that Hugh Grant was finished, didn't we, but he did seem to redeem himself by sending himself up in Paddington Bear.

Perhaps we need to search for the self-deprecating British sense of humour which seems to have been lost by the wayside in recent years.

We might not notice, but our grandchildren will. And I'm willing to bet it won't be good for them. Anyway, my neighbour had a great time last night letting off 10 huge bloody rockets just outside my bedroom and woke me and my grandsons up. So pleased he had a good time - selfish man.

And not sure the worlds ‘excellent article’ and ‘Daily Mail’ ever belong together theconversation.com/amp/uk-press-is-the-most-aggressive-in-reporting-on-europes-migrant-crisis-56083

Are you suggesting Brexit isn’t a populist movement?

“There is a view out there — so often expressed in The Guardian — that this new age is racist, populist, still sexist. In so many ways shameful. Hugh Grant, bizarrely the go-to source for apocalyptic doomsday quotes, says the 'country is finished'.

Really? Isn't the opposite true? Much of the rest of the world is puzzled by the way that Britain is behaving. But it is also intrigued. The French are REALLY interested in what is going on across the Channel. What is that small island with its extraordinary history up to?

We have been on the right side of history before and I believe we may well be again.”

Not my words but those of John Humphrys (late Radio 4 Today presenter). He voted Remain and has since changed his mind.

Excellent article in the DM today.
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I agree Lemongrove we should be patient, it will take time for changes to happen.

Growstuff and GagaJo
Both asking 'what are the benefits of Brexit?' which was answered here yesterday, so maybe find the post yourself or search online, but don't keep asking again and again as if there is no answer. ?

Those of us who have lost our jobs, had problems getting life saving medication, seen our children and grand children leave the UK to live in EU member countries or have seen our businesses collapse because of the huge increase in cost and beaurocracy because of this brexit nonsense have noticed the change already.

ExperiencedNotOld well said.??

I feel very happy and optimistic about the future of the UK and think the country made exactly the right choice.
The benefits will be long term rather than felt this year of course, but once we have paid ‘our dues’ to the EU we will no longer be spending billions on roads in Lithuania or hospitals in Poland etc but mending our own roads and building our own hospitals.We have been one of the big payer ‘in’ countries which bale out the many other countries to the detriment of our own. The EU started off well but became a huge corrupt vanity project with the aim of being one big power.
The UK will do so much better out of it, but nobody should expect it to happen overnight.

And .... to have an appreciation of why austerity was and still is necessary needs a separate thread perhaps. But it’s down to one simple fact - we spent too much on too many things that didn’t really benefit us. Now we’ve got to learn to be more careful. All austerity is a some necessary ‘housekeeping’. Notice that I made no mention of political leaning there..... it’d be so much better if the extreme opinions on these fora tried to understand each other’s viewpoint instead of stamping all over something not in line with their own thinking.

And I got up to a new day where we’re not in Europe. Nothing has changed and what might happen will happy so slowly that we’ll barely notice.

Growstuff tried to impress with a big word but no one noticed.
A kakistocracy [kækɪ'stɑkrəsi] is a system of government that is run by the worst, least qualified, and/or most unscrupulous citizens.
Everyone’s entitled to their point of view. However, this country is still ‘run’ by the Civil Service. They provide moderation to the in-Govt desires and then enact the decision.
So bunkum.

One of the main priorities is "levelling up", as Johnson describes it. We have already seen what that means in practice. Local government and schools in wealthier areas are to receive more, while poorer areas are having their budgets cut. That's not scare-mongering; it's actually happening.

aprilrose It was announced just two days ago that austerity will continue. All departments, including Health and Defence, have been ordered to find ways of cutting their budget by 5%.

You are completely blinded Aprilrose,. Continued austerity was our own governments reaction to an international catastrophe. The same people would have done the same thing in or out of Europe.

The only thing that has changed is they cannot now blame Europe although, should those political views still run our country I certainly wouldn't put it passed them to find something or someone else and, with the crude reporting of some of the most read papers (mainly by the elderly these days) do the usual "not me gov" bit.

The Bank of England has downgraded growth predictions and knocked more than 20 billion off GDP by the end of 2022. How anyone could think that they will be better off under these circumstances I just can't imagine.

Anyway Big Ben Bonged twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1223384182170275846?s=21