INDEPENDENCE DAY!

I voted remain, but for many reasons, not least being repeated attempts to thwart the democratic vote before it could even be enacted apon, have come to see the EU as strong arming us out of the door.

I think those flags could have been a bit bigger, Nigel! Lol!

I have huge celebrations planned - will put a link up to the fireworks display were having - massive!

Let us all enjoy the night any which way we can.

I get your point janipat.

Incidentally, if London were to gain independence, do you think I could be an associate Londoner?

No celebrating here.

What an UGLY thread title

growstuff I'd be all for London declaring independence

I understand that England will always have a majority of MPs but that doesn't constitute bullying does it? Or any majority decision by any party or faction would also be bullying. It's the words bully and bullying that I find objectionable.

Bless him; and all he's got to show for it is a ruddy great pension.

I listened to Nigel Farage’s speech yesterday and am still struggling to understand why some people were so horrified at the flag waving.

He stated that he loves Europe but hates the EU, which is exactly how every ‘leave’ voter feels I am sure.

We will celebrate tomorrow and raise a glass to Nigel Farage as I am certain this would never have happened, had he not spent well over twenty years of his life campaigning for us to leave.

I just want to know when do we stop paying into EU then?

Scotland has more than it’s fair share of MP’s in Westminster.

I understand where paddyanne is coming from. It's a conundrum with democracy (the old two wolves and a sheep deciding who to eat for dinner). Scotland will always have a minority in the UK parliament (as will Wales and NI), so anything which affects the smaller countries only will always be defeated.

The same thing happens in any democratically elected body. Some areas will always have different needs, but it is the majority view which prevails.

Maybe London should declare its own independence ! It is, after all, more populous than some sovereign states.

I too voted remain as did my area London and we are being taken out too, but paddyanne when will you accept it's not bullying that 80% of the MPs in parliament represent English constituencies when over 80% of the UK population lives in England? Do you really think the over 80% should be represented by say, 25% of MPs?

Lyndiloo, aprilrose, MerylStreep, & lemongrove

Yes, we shall also be celebrating. I've been looking forward to it for a while and didn't think it was going to happen until BJ won the election.

My cats will be safely indoors. We have some sparklers to light up at 11pm.

My family also didn't vote to leave. Although we would never fall out with them over it (and vice versa) we thought it would be tactless to have a party. So, instead, we're going to a lovely and very popular Chinese restaurant.

It will be very interesting on a number of accounts - will there be like-minded celebrators? will there be remainers consoling themselves? will there be any people there at all due to worries over coronavirus?

I make no apologies for my voting to leave, or celebrating the fact that we are, but I agree that the display by Nigel Farage and his cronies yesterday was pathetic.

he EU haven't moved heaven and earth to stop the UK leaving,the WEstminster parliament was the place where the problems were,and rightly so.If you want democracy ALL voices must be heard,
On a different subject I hope you are aware of the huge price rises heading your way if we dont get a trade deal with the EU? do you REALLY believe this disunited kingdom can get a better deal than a group of 28? As the wee man /woman who owns your corner shop if they get the same deals as Tesco or Morrisons when they try to fill their shelves.I still think Brexiteers are living in a fantasy land that never existed and they want the rest of us to suffer for their stupid voting mistake .

My country voted REMAIN we're being dragged out against our will .Democracy? The biggest lie in the "union"Theres England who tells the rest of us what to do ,,because like MOST bullies they're the biggest 80% ofMP's in westminster are English ,therefore its an ENGLISH parliament .,They can NEVER lose

I look forward to some good things happening.

Please tell us what good things are going to happen, teetime. I still haven't found out, despite asking for the last three years...

why have the EU moved heaven and earth to prevent us leaving?

They haven't, Jabberwok.

The EU will survive us leaving far better than we will and absolutely refuse to impair the integrity of the Single Market; despite what was promised by Leave campaigners who thought that we could retain all the benefits of the Single Market without any of its obligations. They set out their Red Lines very early on and have more or less stuck to them.

And it was the DUP and the ERG that stymied May's attempts to get her Withdrawal Agreement through parliament, not 'Remain MPs' so hated by the rabid RW media... Of course, Johnson's WA is basically May's, with a twiddle to the NI border. We're still in 'vassallage' for another year... (I notice that all the 'independence' people are steadfastly ignoring that now, despite screaming about it a year ago...)

I’m happier now that we have stopped “cozying up” to Trump
and ministers are saying OUR standards will be upheld. At least we have a government that has an agenda, let’s hope there is a substantial agreement this time next year. Behind closed doors there is going to be a lot of horse trading, hopefully that isn’t become a daily drip drip of propaganda as previously.

I shall certainly raise a glass but not till Saturday as I'm on Dry January. I look forward to some good things happening. My darling daughter wanted to remain and is very upset - we have shared our views and agreed to disagree with no acrimony at all.

It will happen vegansrock.....just needs a bit of time.

Lyndiloo and aprilrose ???
We shall we celebrating with a glass of Bolly, those who wish to will be doing even more celebrating, and those who are sad
About leaving the EU won’t be doing anything. All of which is fine.
As MawB says, don’t let this thread become one of insults to either side.
The reason the government is keeping things low key presumably is to try and heal rifts.

Those who have caused bitter divisions are now calling for us to "work together". Not going happen.

I was shocked to see the puerile antics of the Brexit Party MSPs but nearly moved to tears by the entire parliament singing Auld Lang Syne. The much quoted speech that Alyn Smith made in the EU Parliament which finished with a plea to MEPs to 'Leave a light on for Scotland' has inspired me and thousands more to join a vigil or leave a light on at 11pm to mark the passing of our relationship with our friends in the EU.

If we are a small country with little to trade, then why have the EU moved heaven and earth to prevent us leaving? Surely they would be pleased to see the back of this unimportant cold damp island off the northern coast of Europe, and have sent us on our way with alacrity and a collective sigh of relief?!!

I wonder through all of this ; Would the leavers had made the same kind of demands for a do over had they won a democratic vote. Would they have labeled everyone who disagreed with them uneducated stupid vile idiots racist xenophobes ?
The fear of the unknown makes for a bitter battleground. I really hope what happens is our country strengthens and grows economically.
We should be working towards making it the best place to be not destroying it from the inside.

Grandad1943
If I'm the brexit twit with no brain cells that your referring to I can assure you that there will no animals anywhere near us.

Well said Veganstock. I will not be celebrating and I shall be going to Cardiff to take part in the vigil and mourn with our European friends. It is will be a sad day but it won't change our lives much for a year then we will see the result of this dreadful decision made by narrow minded people.