Let's have a common sense party please!

Oh, I read that on another thread suziewoozie

Lawrence Fox is apparently a privileged white male

I apologise if that is wrong, but I was trying to learn from one of the posters who seems to know better than me about this on GN.

You didn't pull her up about it so I presumed it was the correct term to use.

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous jan.

The LF issue is about ‘white privilege’ which isn’t the same as being a privileged white man. In the first phrase, white describes the type of privilege, in the second phrase, ‘privileged’ is used as one of the adjectives describing a man, the other being white. It’s totally different meanings

I think the world has finally fallen into the pit of madness when I reD about the new emoticons for 2020 and one is a gender neutral.....Father Christmas !

This for me is an example of ridiculous , everyone must be equal thinking . The clue is in the name !

I agree with the concept of your post Sparkling .

Read not ‘reD’- sorry ! ?

What's happened to Mother Christmas then NanaandGrampy?

Is it wine o'clock?

Oh she’s in there along with Father Christmas Callistemon ????

In all shades too so no one can complain but apparently gender fluid people need their own one ?

Yes it’s definitely 5 ‘o’clock somewhere !

This putting adjective before noun bit autistic child/child with autism, is a classic example of pc being daft.

In normal grammatical English we put the adjective before the noun 'The tall man',' the blonde woman', 'the busy child'. If we were French the general rule would be the opposite. Different countries have different rules.

Once you start getting your knickers in a twist over the ordinary use of language, far from making these various groups feel more normal by putting the person first, we make them look odd because we are changing the normal rules of grammar especially from them, so it istantly draws attention to their condition.

This post is written by a short-sighted dyspraxic woman.

suzie ridiculous to want understanding of his condition rather than angst about the words used to refer to his condition? Or my wondering how you ascertain how people wish to be referred to? I don't see how you can know for each individual without asking, and then to my mind, that makes the descriptor the most important aspect of the person. All I'm saying is it's easy to get it wrong these days, even when no insult or hurt is intended.

A white woman's shirt
A black woman's jumper
A green child's coat
A blue man's pullover.

As seen in advertisements

I understand your point Sarah but it makes it difficult to discuss what people can’t say if they’re not allowed to say what they believe they are not allowed to say iyswim. It would have been grown up if whoever disagreed with my use of examples had actually posted that. I accept I got it wrong.

James Bond is not a real person
If he was he'd be about 104 by now.

He would definitely need that stuntman.

You should aim to cause as least offence as possible and are aware that what is acceptable can change over time. I don't think a jumper can take offence , Calistemon. so I wouldn't worry about calling it blue. You are trying to belittle the efforts of those who try to be sensitive to others.

Suziedwoozie

I find an irony in your ' having a go' at the OP and some posts.

Eaier you raised the wording in the OP and challenged it:-

We can't have a thought of our own, without being accused of something. Who are these people telling us what we must think or act. Everyone is getting cheesed of with it, getting like big brother

In everyday life we all have a responsibility to be aware of social norms and mores , and how they change: that language plays a role in how these are expressed and understood and that language moves on and words change and develop their meaning.

The OP is hyperbolic nonsense - what has she been stopped from thinking or doing?
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Your posts being deleted by GN shows first hand what the OP was trying to say and now you have experience of what the OP was trying to say but ironically you challenged her point.

Unless I am getting confused that is Irony on display.

Unless

Your post is ridiculous vegan as well as rude.

I am not trying to belittle anyone, just pointing out the ridiculousness of semantics.

I am that I am not allowed to say that LF is a privileged white man but, on another thread, a poster who is apparently very PC and 'woke' according the rules, calls him a privileged white male.

I am failing to understand the subtle difference, why one is wrong and one is not.

I agree POGS I tried to make that point in my last post to some extent but I think you’ve expressed it better. It’s a shame

I've just seen the film/movie: The personal history of David Copperfield.

At first I was surprised that the lead actor was of Indian descent and then quickly became so totally absorbed that it did not matter at all what colour the actors were. It is an excellent and funny film and I suppose it challenges stereotypes.

A good "point of view" the other day on Radio4, on how we can't seem to have a proper debate anymore.
The purpose of debate is to arrive at a truth. We seldom do but we try and that's what matters. In defence of free speech:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j6byb

A common sense party, in my view would be somewhere where we could listen to each other and not wait to wrong foot the opposition before plunging the proverbial knife in.

We have two ears and one mouth so we can listen twice as much as we speak. (Epictetus. 55 AD)

Sara it is getting so subtle that even stating facts get labelled racist.

The problem is that people are so sensitive that they see isms where none existed. I mentioned that these epidemic corona/flu epidemics seem always to start in China, which is a fact and I was accused of racism. That I made mention of other countries being the source of other types of disease was ignored.

The world is totally overcrowded with “isms”

We have two ears and one mouth so we can listen twice as much as we speak. (Epictetus. 55 AD)

Thank you Grammaretto, I always thought that was one of my MIL's personal sayings, I didn't realise it was ancient. Mind you, she never heeded her own advice

M0nica
Me too. It's wrong, illogical and immoral.
But how can we change it?

Well, as China has acknowledged that the disease began in one of its wet markets anyone who thinks your statement was racist is being over-sensitive on behalf of Chinese people M0nica!

Well they can tell us what we can't say but they can't tell us what to think. We can still have opinions, just keep them to ourselves.

If you don’t think your opinions are fit to say it loud, what makes you think they are kind opinions?