Happy Day After Independance Day!

How is that patronising? Have you not distanced yourself from the claims that the racist behaviour caught on camera is simply leavers celebrating?

vegansrock: At least you have distanced yourself from it.
Patronising! Maybe I should feel blessed to have met with your approval. ?

Nez, you can call out till the cows come home. It won't make one single scrap of difference

Well that’s all rather depressing. I would rather hope that the majority in the UK are not narrow minded racists.

I can’t find anything as good as that Financial Times article, it’s worth registering to read if you are concerned about the rise of the far right (across Europe). May be worth watching what Farage does next very closely.

I don't think celebrating a win at sporting events has been likened to racist thugs shouting obscenities and stamping on flags. It was likened to any winner being entitled to celebrate their win without being accused of gloating.

And if the OP didn't get back till Saturday night she would have been in Parliament square for over 24 hours.....

Nez, you can call out till the cows come home. It won't make one single scrap of difference.

Several on here have excused such behaviour chestnut by saying as its the same as lifting a trophy at a sporting event or its ok as others have done the same etc. when it is evidently not. At least you have distanced yourself from it. I've no objection to anyone celebrating btw. but when its obscene and racist, yes I do object.

You tell me Kadinsky - I haven’t called anyone bitter and twisted. Presumably GNHQ allows these threads to stand because many of us manage to discuss this incredibly important issue without hurling insults or breaking thread guidelines.

I’m aware of that Chestnut but you asked who was excusing it and I responded. Why do you think the leave campaign has attracted these extremely racist, right wingers? What is it about its stance that appeals to them?

SirChenjin
What do these threads ever achieve?
And yes I’ve posted on them, that’s why I’m in a position to say what I’m saying.
And I don’t need to be on gransnet or mumsnet to hear about racist posters being stuck on doors in Norwich.
I’m sure these threads are nothing but a headache for HQ so do wonder why they’re allowed.

Oh hang on let me find something that isn’t the FT. It’s hit & miss whether it opens

Just watch some of the videos aprilrose - they’re not hard to find.

SirChenjin - the ‘why’ is really interesting (& terrifying). It’s something I want to read more about but Farage in particular is a key player. This is a really brief summary www.ft.com/content/48c4bfa6-7ca2-11e9-81d2-f785092ab560

As I said, no-one is disputing that the far right thugs will have voted leave. That doesn't mean they represent the majority of leave voters or that their behaviour is in any way acceptable.

The independent article seems to be one mans view of what went on. his opinion, to which he is entitled. Nothing in the video to support comments made here about the party goers and moreover, no other paper is carrying anything like it.

Hmmm....

The ones excusing the behaviour by claiming they’re just idiots celebrating Chestnut. Let’s name it - it’s racist, xenophobic, revolting behaviour that the leave campaign appears to have attracted and needs to question why.

Anyway today Brexit has brought me joy. The Sunday Times reports that Cummings now has a network of spies in all the best Westminster restaurants. So special advisors are having to meet journos in unlikely places, such as McDonald’s.

Seems the Tory party will continue to have problems from unelected bureaucrats.

Ah sorry different (Brexit) thread.

vegansrock: But the thing is leavers who claim to be sensible and not part of the thug element condone and excuse such behaviour
The only thing that is condoned is the celebration of Brexit. Who has excused the behaviour of these thugs?

Kandinsky’s post was the one I reported (only one on the whole thread). It has been removed.

You’ve been quite happy to post on here and stir the pot by calling remainers “bitter and twisted” Kadinsky. What’s making you feel uncomfortable about it now? The links to the racist, extreme right wing behaviour exhibited by factions within the minority leavers perhaps?

No they didn't. Electorate is about 45 million. 17.4 million is nowhere near 'more than half'.

But even fewer than that voted to remain. You cannot claim that those who did not vote at all were remain minded. It means at best they were not bothered.

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I actually think these discussions should be banned on gransnet ( and mumsnet ) nothing good every comes out of them and I do wonder why HQ allow them.

But the thing is leavers who claim to be sensible and not part of the thug element condone and excuse such behaviour- its dismissed as acceptable celebrating or the same as remain demos( which it isn't) as if that makes it OK
Those who can be bothered to look
www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-nigel-farage-parliament-square-a9312436.html

^ But more than half the voters in the country voted leave^

No they didn't. Electorate is about 45 million. 17.4 million is nowhere near 'more than half'.

And also, fewer than half the voters in the 2019 GE voted for 'Get Brexit Done'. 53% voted against it.