Happy Day After Independance Day!

Anyway today Brexit has brought me joy. The Sunday Times reports that Cummings now has a network of spies in all the best Westminster restaurants. So special advisors are having to meet journos in unlikely places, such as McDonald’s.

Seems the Tory party will continue to have problems from unelected bureaucrats.

The ones excusing the behaviour by claiming they’re just idiots celebrating Chestnut. Let’s name it - it’s racist, xenophobic, revolting behaviour that the leave campaign appears to have attracted and needs to question why.

The independent article seems to be one mans view of what went on. his opinion, to which he is entitled. Nothing in the video to support comments made here about the party goers and moreover, no other paper is carrying anything like it.

Hmmm....

As I said, no-one is disputing that the far right thugs will have voted leave. That doesn't mean they represent the majority of leave voters or that their behaviour is in any way acceptable.

Just watch some of the videos aprilrose - they’re not hard to find.

SirChenjin - the ‘why’ is really interesting (& terrifying). It’s something I want to read more about but Farage in particular is a key player. This is a really brief summary www.ft.com/content/48c4bfa6-7ca2-11e9-81d2-f785092ab560

Oh hang on let me find something that isn’t the FT. It’s hit & miss whether it opens

SirChenjin
What do these threads ever achieve?
And yes I’ve posted on them, that’s why I’m in a position to say what I’m saying.
And I don’t need to be on gransnet or mumsnet to hear about racist posters being stuck on doors in Norwich.
I’m sure these threads are nothing but a headache for HQ so do wonder why they’re allowed.

I’m aware of that Chestnut but you asked who was excusing it and I responded. Why do you think the leave campaign has attracted these extremely racist, right wingers? What is it about its stance that appeals to them?

You tell me Kadinsky - I haven’t called anyone bitter and twisted. Presumably GNHQ allows these threads to stand because many of us manage to discuss this incredibly important issue without hurling insults or breaking thread guidelines.

Several on here have excused such behaviour chestnut by saying as its the same as lifting a trophy at a sporting event or its ok as others have done the same etc. when it is evidently not. At least you have distanced yourself from it. I've no objection to anyone celebrating btw. but when its obscene and racist, yes I do object.

Nez, you can call out till the cows come home. It won't make one single scrap of difference.

And if the OP didn't get back till Saturday night she would have been in Parliament square for over 24 hours.....

I don't think celebrating a win at sporting events has been likened to racist thugs shouting obscenities and stamping on flags. It was likened to any winner being entitled to celebrate their win without being accused of gloating.

Nez, you can call out till the cows come home. It won't make one single scrap of difference

Well that’s all rather depressing. I would rather hope that the majority in the UK are not narrow minded racists.

I can’t find anything as good as that Financial Times article, it’s worth registering to read if you are concerned about the rise of the far right (across Europe). May be worth watching what Farage does next very closely.

vegansrock: At least you have distanced yourself from it.
Patronising! Maybe I should feel blessed to have met with your approval. ?

How is that patronising? Have you not distanced yourself from the claims that the racist behaviour caught on camera is simply leavers celebrating?

Because the alternative to distancing yourself is to AGREE with it.

aprilrose of course some celebration is allowed but rubbing it in is usually considered over the top. And anyway as the Leavers are returning to British values the traditional ways of behaving should surely be the ones they espouse. Even footballers change shirts and applaud the opposite team. That's the troubke with Leavers they only want the British values they like. Things like tolerance, accepting those in need, protecting the weakest and respecting everyone seem to be things they will happily throw out the window.

I don't think celebrating a win at sporting events has been likened to racist thugs shouting obscenities and stamping on flags. It was likened to any winner being entitled to celebrate their win without being accused of gloating.

I am always struck by the examples of good sportsmanship when both teams applaud and shake hands with each other before returning to the changing rooms.
The crowing and gloating on this and the other similar threads leaves a bad taste. Would it not be best for all concerned to give it a rest.
#notinmyname

Trisher , I could take issue with a lot of what you have said about leavers ( as if they are all in some kind of category - and even if they were, the category you have them in is one of the mythical ones according to the research) , however, this thread, like a similarly titled one is under the cosh of GN for being a bit too heated so I am withdrawing from both.

MawB: The crowing and gloating on this and the other similar threads leaves a bad taste.
Maybe because remainers started posting on what was supposed to be a celebratory thread with insulting and goading remarks aimed at leavers! Remainers do not have to endure the celebratory comments on those threads, they could just go over to the other thread where people were lamenting their loss and drowning in their tears. But instead they chose to spoil the party and wind the leavers up. Sorry if that backfired on you.

I wonder if the votes of the obviously racist far-righters had been disallowed, whether we would have actually left the EU.

There is a really noxious video on Twitter at the moment posted by Jeremy Vine, showing nasty, evil looking, union flag draped thugs, being racist to an innocent foreign visitor. Squirm making.

I would not have been anywhere near Farage and his cronies in Trafalger Square on Friday night. Not in a hundred years.

And I think GNHQ should be asked to correct the spelling in the thread title.

lucywinter: I wonder if the votes of the obviously racist far-righters had been disallowed, whether we would have actually left the EU.
If you feel that banning certain groups from voting will improve things then you are living in the wrong country. You may as well ask what the result would be if we banned anyone who came from abroad from voting. Or anyone who has gone to live abroad. Or prisoners.