Censorship / Restrictions of freedom of the press

Sir Chenjin

" I do like your whatabout the whataboutery though '

Thank. I thought it added to the conversation.

Do not put words in my mouth POGS

suziewoozie/Sir Chenjin

What constitutes :-

' intellectually bankrupt and blinkered' is in the eye of the beholder.

As for ' Actually, it says much about their desperation' I think that too is in the eye of the beholder and desperation can most certainly take the form of belittling or making rude personal comments to other posters, especially swearing at them .

No need to be insulting suziewoozie. You're right, it would have been worse if Labour won the election, but I don't think anyone except Labour supporters are desperate.
There is no problem with valid criticism of any government minister so feel free. We don't need any rules (except perhaps not to direct nasty personal comments at other posters).

Not in this case though - obviously.

I do like your whatabout the whataboutery though

"Whataboutery doesn’t actually add anything to the discussion."
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Ah, good old Whataboutery again.

Whataboutery can at times add something to a discussion /debate if it raising matters of hypocrisy , opening the debate, etc. etc.

Whataboutery is a term usually used by those who don't practice what they preach, the ' Do as I say not do as I do' brigade.

Whataboutery is like the use of VAR in football, if it is used in a way that suits you no problem, if it used in a way that does not suit you then it is called out.

Haven’t you heard suzie? It’s the official right wing benchmark now

New rule for right wing GNers - thou shall not criticise any government minister for anything because it would have been worse if Labour had won the election. How intellectually bankrupt and blinkered is that? Actually, it says much about their desperation

MaizieD ? the steak/vegetables was a very funny sketch from Spitting Image at the time.
I thought I had read that SI was making new programmes, I do hope so.

But they didn’t - so now we have Priti Patel and her loose grasp of terrorism at the helm. Whataboutery doesn’t actually add anything to the discussion.

Nezumi65 If RBL ever becomes leader then labour will not be in government so whether or not she is stupid is unlikely to affect us. Priti Patel not being up to the job is relevant.
But if Labour had won the last election we would now have the disaster that is Diane Abbott as Home Secretary ? but you don't seem to think it matters whether Labour MPS are stupid. Let's just hope they never win an election!

Got it Urm?

I really am tired of people constantly find something quite small and insignificant with which to counteract the vile things that this dictatorship of a government is doing. As if they can't bear to acknowledge that what is happening is wrong even when they, themselves have had to agree that it is. As for what Long Bailey said, I really don't think it was that bad [and I, personally can't stand the woman].

GracesGran - Michael Spicer is a good mood lifter when politics is getting too depressing. Boris with the police is hilarious. I think I was crying with laughter when I first saw it.

Persistent vegetative state. Persistent vegetative state is the standard usage (except in the UK) for a medical diagnosis, made after numerous neurological and other tests, that due to extensive and irreversible brain damage a patient is highly unlikely ever to achieve higher functions above a vegetative state.

In the UK, the term is discouraged in favor of two more precisely defined terms that have been strongly recommended by the Royal College of Physicians (RCP). These guidelines recommend using a continuous vegetative state for patients in a vegetative state for more than four weeks. A medical determination of a permanent vegetative state can be made...

OTOH

Today, doctors and neuroscientists prefer to call the state of consciousness a syndrome, primarily because of ethical questions about whether a patient can be called "vegetative" or not.

From the same article!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_vegetative_state

I do pity prominent people being hounded to apologise for saying things that are very far out on the margins of 'acceptable'

But a Home Secretary who doesn't know the difference between terrorism and counter-terrorism is more than a trifle disturbing.

There is such a thing as a 'vegetative state'. Not sure if that was what she was implying but if so why is she wrong?

Nezumi Just stolen some time to watch the Room Next Door and Priti Patel. Laugh, cry? Probably both. Thank you.

Slightly OT, I know, but Ug mentioning RLB's comment reminds me of the joke about Margaret Thatcher

Margaret Thatcher takes the cabinet out for dinner. The waiter comes along and asks her what she will be eating tonight. Margaret replies, 'I'll have the steak.' The waiter then asks, 'What about the vegetables?' To which Margaret says, 'They'll have the same as me.

(And, looking at the context of RLB's use of the word I don't see that it was so very bad. She was describing the effect of someone's medical condition. A condition she was trying to get altered. It would have been bad had she used it as an insult news.sky.com/story/labours-rebecca-long-bailey-sorry-for-calling-man-with-brain-damage-a-practical-vegetable-11925656 )

Rebecca LB is bloody awful imo. But that doesn’t really distract from the fact we have a Home Secretary who doesn’t appear to understand the difference between terrorism and counter-terrorism.

If RBL ever becomes leader then labour will not be in government so whether or not she is stupid is unlikely to affect us. Priti Patel not being up to the job is relevant.

While you mention Priti Patel Yehbutnobut shall it be brought up that Rebecca Long Bailey described someone as being ‘like a vegetable’?

Pots & kettles indeed.

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My last word on this - I felt deeply uncomfortable being left to stand on one side of the room while colleagues' names were read out one-by-one and they joined the group who were deemed "acceptable" by No 10. Sinister and sad.

He is your frankenstein, your creation that you the media pushed to get into power, so you really cannot complain that he is dictating and manipulating you all. The MSM have allowed him to get away with such a lot including racism, so he does what he likes including to the media.

Well THANK GOD nothing like this has ever happened anywhere else where Steve Bannon has advised a rich, fat, deluded bigoted right-wing strong-man leader with weird hair who regularly speaks gibberish, lies all the time, scapegoats the vulnerable and throws dead cats around...

I see Michael Spicer has managed a Priti Patel room next door youtu.be/xk4EMBXxG5A

I am looking to Michael Spicer to get me through these dark times! youtu.be/xk4EMBXxG5A

Brilliant - sums him up perfectly!

Love his description of Boris as a ‘Poundland Trump’!

Just read that whole John Crace piece you have quoted from yeahbutnobut

It’s terrifying really.